All Purpose Nanoha Fanfiction Thread!

She's not exactly the most loyal, per se, but it's certainly true she's the most devouted, emotional, and most loud about it. While they're loyal to a fault, other Wolkenriter seems to gave some kind of detached, professional aura about it.

Vita, bless her (relatively) maidenly heart, trying to connect with Hayate emotionally... and having Hayate treats her like what she really wants to be (an annoying, but adorable little sister) without hint of condescending attitude or irony. Hayate wants a cute sister, Vita wants to be a cute sister, everyone wins and she got a bunny plushie out of deal. Not bad.

edited 23rd Jun '16 12:52:04 PM by RBomber

And she got a nice hat!

Vita's not the most loyal because you can't really be any more loyal than what they all are.

The Wolkenritter have Undying Loyalty towards Hayate. Basically, the only way Hayate could lose their loyalty is by becoming the antithesis of Hayate.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Vita is the most likable in small doses, but also the one to get the most tiresome after a while for me.

Signum is the opposite, the one I find the most boring at first but the one I end up liking best after a while.

Shamal is the one I'd like the best to be friends with if they were real.

Zafira is kind of The Mario in this context.

edited 23rd Jun '16 7:29:11 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

*Torn between making a perverted joke about examining pipes and a dismissive jokes of sticking him with unpleasant tasks.*

edited 23rd Jun '16 7:38:43 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

(insert obvious raunchy Hayate-on-loli comments here)

I think Hayate was more into boobies?

She does use Vita as a plushy at times. There's a reason why Hayate's lesbian army is so diverse.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Haven't been able to do much writing since I've been stupid busy for the last week or so, but random question for the thread: what would Amuro name his device, and what sort of voice would it have? I don't really think he's the type of guy to give it a name like "Raising Heart", but I still want it to be something that sounds like a name rather than a serial number or something.

The story behind it is that it's a standard-issue TSAB staff-type storage device issued to Amuro mostly as a vehicle for fitting him with a limiter, but he gradually modifies the hell out of until it's a full-blown intelligent device on par with Raising Heart or Bardiche. I'm using Chrono's device as a template, since his seems to be the most standard of any that we see — default form is a staff when active and a card when in standby mode, but Amuro will eventually add a long-range cannon mode and a melee sabre mode at minimum.

I'm also toying with the idea of a shield (as in a physical hand-held shield, rather than the deflector shield protection spells that most Nanohaverse fighters use) because it's something that Amuro uses extensively in his own canon but we haven't really seen from a Nanoha character before, but I can't decide if that should be a distinct device mode, a separate part of the device available in other modes (like how Tea's Cross Mirage is a pair of guns and Subaru's Mach Calibur is a pair of rollerblades, even though they're still considered a single device), or what exactly.

Anyway, I'm just sort of spitballing here, so let me know what you guys think.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Amuro's device should be named Haro, and it should sound like aHaro, even if it doesn't look like Haro.

"Hello Amuro! Hello Amuro!"

For those not in the know, this is Haro.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

edited 29th Jun '16 12:09:57 PM by EvaUnit01

I thought about using the device as a Haro reference, but I decided that it was a bad idea. Felt like a reference for the sake of a reference, rather than being interesting or entertaining on its own merits. But, there's no possible way anyone who's seen any of Haro's various incarnations could take it seriously if they tried to read spell names in Haro's voice.

As far as the shield goes, I'm thinking that making it a separate part of the device is probably the best way to go. The main advantage of a shield in the Nanoha-verse is that it allows for faster reactions — you can move a shield to intercept an attack quicker than you can cast a shield spell, and you can lower a shield launch a counterattack faster than you can drop a shield spell and cast an offensive spell. Plus, Amuro tends to treat his shields as pretty disposable — sacrifice them to take a hit for him, throw them as improvised distractions, just drop it in order to use his off hand for something else, etc. So making it a dedicated device mode (leaving him with nothing for offense?) or making it an entirely separate device (making losing it a rather bigger deal) don't really seem to fit.

The alternative would be making it a part of his barrier jacket rather than part of his device, but making it part of a device probably fits Nanoha better — I don't think we've ever seen anything in a barrier jacket that was something you hold (like a shield) rather than something you wear (like clothing and/or armor).

edited 29th Jun '16 12:22:54 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Wouldn't it be more of Amuro's character if he built his own device? He's known as a Gadgeteer Genius in his universe after all. Have him like read a "How to build an intelligent device" book somewhere, make him think its better to build his own than be issued standard TSAB stuff, then have him build one.

Having never watched the original Gundam, I never knew why Amuro made a cute, bouncy green robot.

edited 29th Jun '16 2:12:18 PM by Hoki

There's no DIY guide to building a device. For good reason. For one thing, the TSAB would not want people being able to build custom made devices with unknown and potentially unsafe capabilities, any of which could wind up going Skynet on their asses. For another, it's not something you can just do. I'm fairly certain device production requires lots of equipment and expertise if you're gonna make anything worth the time spent making it.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Yes, there are. Lutecia was able to build an fully intelligent device for Corona from manuals borrowed from the Infinity Library (heck, she turned their "prison" into a spa/hotsprings resort/ training ground using relevant manuals borrowed from the Infinity Library), with her resources only limited to what she could buy from the local shop in the planet she's in or from Mid-childa (as she's not allowed to go anywhere else) . Keep in mind that Lutecia is technically under probation for her participation in the events in StrikerS, so if it was not allowed for ordinary people to build one, then a former criminal shouldn't even be given access to that kind of stuff.

Also, before Subaru and Teana got their own devices, they used crude armed devices that they just built from scratch, Teana even mentions that their devices are faulty due to being low quality because of being scratch built (Teana's gun jams during their first combat exercise and Subaru's roller blades constantly need maintenance).

While yes, the quality of a device is dependent on who makes it and the resources available to them, possibly anyone in Midchilda (or anybody who would put effort in doing so) has access to device building manuals and basic device materials,

edited 29th Jun '16 3:00:52 PM by Hoki

Good luck getting access to those though.

And you said it yourself. Stuff made by normal people without the resources of the TSAB tends to be comparatively speaking garbage.

edited 29th Jun '16 2:57:33 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

There is a section of the IL that is accessible to the public. One can assume that there are DIY manuals there. like "How to build a hot springs resort on your backyard" or "training ground construction for dummies." Lutecia certainly got a hold of those without too much problems.

In terms of technology, Amuro isn't normal. He built a robot from scratch. Give him basic device building materials and a manual, and he could probably build a device that fits the DSAA standard for devices. He could probably make a giant Haro out of a type 3 Gadget Drone.

edited 29th Jun '16 3:11:56 PM by Hoki

Keyword being "comparatively". In practice, the ones Teana and Subaru made were rather good at their intended purposes; it's just that they had a considerably high chance of screwing them over big time in a live combat situation (i.e. Teana's Device jamming at the worst possible moment in a shooting battle, Subaru's Device breaking down while she's moving at both high speed and altitude).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Being good at gadgeteering doesn't make you good at programming tho. Remember, you don't just have to build a device, you have to program its AI as well, unless he builds it pre-made, which means he wouldn't really be able to make it any better because it'll be ultimately limited by its AI.

Furthermore, you're just assuming that the things you need to build a good device are accessible to the public. In order for that to be true, the TSAB would have to be monumentally stupid.

edited 29th Jun '16 3:17:06 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Why would public access to quality device parts be a sign of TSAB incompetence? Anybody in the real world can build a high end computer since quality parts are available in local computer shops or the Internet, and it's not like the government is forbidding people to build these kinds of things because they can be used to hack government offices. Heck, In America, you can buy a gun at a local Walmart, can't you?

It's a similar concept since Devices play the role of both computers (for people without magic/people in general), magic regulators/weapons (for mages who participate in sports/magical tournaments like the cast of Vivid), and actual weapons for law enforcement/military (for the TSAB). Given how advanced Midchilda is, it's fairly reasonable to assume that access to device parts and AI have long been publicized.

Of course, while one can build/obtain a device, how it is used is still governed by law.

edited 29th Jun '16 3:50:56 PM by Hoki

For the same reason why handing everyone weapons when you're the government is, in general, a terrible idea for you as a governmental organization:

You're giving the people a tool to resist you with.

In general, you want to be the only one with the tools to engage in violence in the most efficient way possible, because the less people can resist you, the more you can get away with.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

That's basically the idea — he (gradually) rebuilds his bog-standard training device into something unique by tinkering with it. Amuro seems more the type to constantly add incremental upgrades than to toss something out and start completely from scratch, to me. (Unless he reaches the point where the thing he started with can't be upgraded anymore, at least.)

They never really go into it explicitly, but it's implied that he built it just to see if he could, and then gave it to one of his friends once it was finished because he was interested in the project of making it more than actually owning a functioning toy robot.

Amuro does both. He builds and programs Haro by himself, and Haro's got some fairly advanced programming — at the very least, it's capable of recognizing individuals, holding simple conversations, and following verbal instructions (plus all the basics of operating its own hardware, not running into walls, etc). Even if you assume that he installed some sort of publicly available code library for the heavy duty stuff (which is probably not what was intended, given that the show aired in 1979, well before internet code repositories were a thing) that's still a very much non-trivial thing for a 15 year old screwing around in his spare time.

Amuro's starting with a basic storage device, and is receiving military-style training from the TSAB, complete with access to TSAB facilities — and once his training is done, he's explicitly expected to be operating independently for long periods of time without access to support staff or facilities. Basic device maintenance would certainly be included, and any interest in that direction is likely to be encouraged, so that he's better equipped to handle problems he counters in the field by himself.

Getting stuff like a cartridge system installed (I haven't decided if his will be bolt-action or lever-action yet, but I don't think we've seen either of those before) is probably beyond his ability to install just by tinkering with it, but I don't see most of the rest of it being outside the realm of possibility.

And yet, we see in Vivid that it's apparently perfectly kosher for a ten year old to own a highly advanced intelligent device with some unison-like properties (though unlike a full-fledged unison device, it doesn't seem to be capable of acting independently), and participants in the tournament (which is a sporting event, mind you) are required to have a device of a certain level (so that it can interface with the combat simulation system).

Your logic isn't wrong, it just doesn't seem to be supported by canon.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

@IANCE: Good point. Then again, we have the real-life USA as an example of a society in which widespread gun ownership is normal, in contrast to Europe's generally strict gun control laws. And from what the wiki page says, it's probable that the vast majority of Devices available are mass-produced low-quality Storage models (i.e. they aren't versatile), with the high-end Devices being much rarer (persumably due to stricter control over ownership, likely due to their much higher potency) and always hand-crafted to particular specifications (though these aren't always user-tailored, as evidenced by Raising Heart, which accidentally ended in Nanoha's possession; that said, maybe it was retuned later on?).

Also, .

edited 29th Jun '16 4:50:41 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

A better comparison would be the ones we see in Vivid are all civilian models, and they look powerful because the characters are REALLY good at using them, factoring in exaggeration because Vivid is, essentially, a sports manga. The military-grade stuff the TSAB use are more powerful. The analogy would be the girls in Vivid have six-shot revolvers, while the TSAB keep the M61 Vulcans to themselves.

The USA was founded by a bunch of guys rebelling against the Europeans and their ideas of strict control of their peoples' power to defend themselves (along with a bunch of other stuff that people like to believe comes down to taxation without representation) - it's only natural that they'd have a different idea of gun control (which is a very hot topic in the first place, but we're not getting into whether it's right or wrong, I'm speaking purely from the perspective of a guy who at one point actually did work for the government).

But the TSAB isn't dealing with a couple hundred million people in a single country of a single continent of a single planet and they're not dealing with weapons.

When it comes down to it, the TSAB is too big to employ strict control, which is paradoxically why they would want to limit ownership of devices even more, because they can't be everywhere all the time, much less so when there are at least 97 unadministered planets (and likely hundreds more), and you never know when a bombardment-inclined device may just so happen to land in the hands of a freakishly powerful and hard working individual that quickly becomes one of the most dangerous people in the universe. They got hella lucky Nanoha, Fate and Hayate wound up on their side, just try to imagine the damage any of those three could've caused if they were evil.

Hell, an Evil Nanoha would probably be freaking terrifying, if you combine the same traits of being a hard working, talented and charismatic person with having no morals to speak of...

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I cannot help but note that you're seemingly ignoring the points made about how there's clear evidence that civilian access to Devices is far from as limited as you claim.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.