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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#44926: Mar 21st 2012 at 12:51:09 PM

I have to say, I do appreciate Ray's letter. It really was well-written, with a respectful tone. Thanks to Ray for that.

If they do change the ending, and release it bundled with other DLC, it needs to include some single-player content, as well. MP DLC and single-player DLC should probably just be kept separate entirely.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#44927: Mar 21st 2012 at 12:53:08 PM

[up][up]No it didn't.

Like I've already said, both ME 1 and ME 2 posited a very plausible weakness for the Reapers. Not to mention that this would be the first time (that we know of) where a civilization wasn't decapitated and divided immediately.

The thing I find dumb, as Yahtzee pointed out, is that for some reason you have people still considering it Someone Else's Problem when the Reapers have made it clear that their overall goal is the extinction of all life.

And I don't know about this "balance of light and dark" stuff. Ostensibly, I agree, but it's so subjective a concept that I defy that it's a clear-cut thing.

edited 21st Mar '12 12:54:44 PM by KingZeal

Anfauglith Lord of Castamere Since: Dec, 2011
Lord of Castamere
#44928: Mar 21st 2012 at 12:54:11 PM

Patrick Weekes (supposedly) talks about the endings

This was supposedly posted on Penny Arcade forums and then deleted. I don't know if it is true...but if it is, then I was right to trust him as the best writer in the Mass Effect team. He wrote Tali , Tuchanka...

It's not confirmed if it's a hoax or not. Someone should ask him on Twitter or something.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#44929: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:00:58 PM

^The earth getting destroyed in low esm, more damaged in higher esm(coughcough clock tower got blown off cough couh) does exist in the game.

Anfauglith Lord of Castamere Since: Dec, 2011
Lord of Castamere
#44930: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:03:35 PM

It seems like a hoax, yes. I will give it the benefit of the doubt though...but searching around the internet I didn't find a mention to that post except on BSN so it's probably fake.

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IchigoNeko A Forbidden Rendezvous from New York, 1928 Since: Sep, 2009
A Forbidden Rendezvous
#44931: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:04:23 PM

That would be nice, if it were real...

Could I ask someone to summarize the Bioware blog post for me? I can't get to it right now...

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44932: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:06:43 PM

They introduced that the Reapers were susceptible to overwhelming dakka while still being able to take down a non-trivial amount of ships down with them. They also introduced just how much damage a reaper could do over the course of just hours, and ME 3 starts off its presumably months-long ride with the reapers reaping. I don't see how a golden ending with everyone alive and happy can logically follow those points.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#44933: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:06:58 PM

[up][up] They're proud of what they did, and are hurt by the criticism, but they understand it and want to make things right.

[up] Doesn't need to be everyone alive and happy. It mostly just needs to make sense.

[down] Nope. Apparently, they had nothing up their sleeves. They thought the ending they came up with worked. Now that they know it didn't, they're looking into what they can do about it.

edited 21st Mar '12 1:09:32 PM by Tiamatty

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IchigoNeko A Forbidden Rendezvous from New York, 1928 Since: Sep, 2009
A Forbidden Rendezvous
#44934: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:07:58 PM

Thanks.

...see, here I was kind of hoping they actually had something up their sleeves...

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Anfauglith Lord of Castamere Since: Dec, 2011
Lord of Castamere
#44935: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:08:36 PM

It's a bit more vague than that, though. It contains a lot of double-speak.

But at least it's better than the usual "we are listening to feedback"

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IchigoNeko A Forbidden Rendezvous from New York, 1928 Since: Sep, 2009
Anfauglith Lord of Castamere Since: Dec, 2011
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#44937: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:10:56 PM

I placed it on Pastebin so you can read it

Judge for yourself.

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44938: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:11:10 PM

Also, unless one is handing in their resignation, one never publicly calls out their boss on their bullshit. The tech industry and the gaming industry are usually pretty free about that kind of political crap internally (so him calling Casey out to his face was probably entirely acceptable) but to post it on the internet violates NDA and indicates that one will not keep playing with the team much longer. It's essentially the equivalent of a lineman going on TV and saying "my QB sucks the biggest balls possible and it's led to the downfall of this team"

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IchigoNeko A Forbidden Rendezvous from New York, 1928 Since: Sep, 2009
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#44939: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:13:14 PM

[up][up]Thanks a lot!

...Yeah, that's pretty double-speak-y. At least they promise something. Ish.

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BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#44940: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:14:13 PM

[up]*8 Deshield the reapers and the combined force you gathered could win as the reaper could then each be one-shot by your dreadnaughts and overwhelmed by the large number of fighters, frigates, and cruisers you assembled.

edited 21st Mar '12 1:14:46 PM by BigMadDraco

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44941: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:15:35 PM

Doesn't matter, they still already ravaged Earth and Thessia, were in the process of burning Palaven, killed everyone on the Citadel, etc.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#44942: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:15:49 PM

They introduced that the Reapers were susceptible to overwhelming dakka while still being able to take down a non-trivial amount of ships down with them. They also introduced just how much damage a reaper could do over the course of just hours, and ME 3 starts off its presumably months-long ride with the reapers reaping. I don't see how a golden ending with everyone alive and happy can logically follow those points.

They also introduced that the Reapers use up a lot of their own power ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL. They've introduced that the Reapers hide in dark space and hibernate to conserve energy, and they've established that it was a looooong drive back to the galaxy (especially after Shepard nuked the Alpha Relay). In ME 3, they establish that three dreadnaughts with Thanix cannons can take down a capital ship, and that the bulk of the Reaper forces are Destroyers which can be harmed with orbital bombardment, albeit at a pinpoint target.

So yeah, like I said, they already demonstrated that the Reapers had weaknesses that don't require a Deus ex Machina.

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#44943: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:17:06 PM

That just means they can be beaten, and I agree, that was all established and fine and dandy. What you can't pull out of that is a perfectly happy ending because see my previous post.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#44944: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:18:10 PM

Okay, Chris Priestly (the mod) asked from Patrick and apparently that message is fake.

HellmanSabian Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
#44945: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:18:42 PM

Maybe not a perfectly happy ending but still a very happy one none the less. That's still very do able.

Blissey1 insert title here from a random Pokècenter Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
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#44946: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:20:09 PM

Deshield the reapers

and how exactly would one go about doing this? Convince them all to Assume Direct Control of a person so Shep can personally gun down that person and disrupt their concentration?

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#44947: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:20:34 PM

Exactly. I'm not talking about a perfect ending. Earn Your Happy Ending would suffice.

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Anfauglith Lord of Castamere Since: Dec, 2011
Lord of Castamere
#44949: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:22:12 PM

An interview with one of the organizers of #Retakemasseffect

This one isn't fake. tongue

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#44950: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:22:29 PM

[up][up] Trick them into doing so. I honestly thought that was what they were leading up to in the Retribution novel. It's shown there that they consider avatars which they can assume control of to be very valuable. Or at least, they did before they had tons of mooks to work with.


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