The Legend Of Zelda - General Thread

... So? Can you explain to me how that bugs you?

I assume it's just that it's counter-intuitive; the timeline branch that starts with an adult Link is the "child timeline" and the branch that starts with a child Link is the "adult timeline".

Actually, the first game in the Child Timeline is Majora's Mask which stars Kid Link.

edited 23rd May '17 11:16:49 AM by Zelenal

Ah, whoops.

Well, uh, the games that primarily defined the respective timelines, anyway?

edited 23rd May '17 11:24:11 AM by Anomalocaris20

STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS I CAN'T READ ABOUT!!!!

If this is a Breath of the Wild discussion, it should go in the Breath of the Wild discussion.

I actually think Ocarina of Time could use a reboot (not a remake, reboot) that's still in-continuity, retells the story, but has completely different dungeon and overworld designs.

Say what you will, but the Zelda lore has evolved greatly since OoT, and it would be wise to bring that story in line with that.

Plus, with the Zelda developers clearly struggling to find a use for Ganon after telling all they can about his rise and fall in various permutations, it's a good time as any to reintroduce Ganondorf as he rises to power.

And it's been done before. See the various iterations of Simon Belmont's attack on Dracula.

I don't really see why a reboot is necessary, or even that such a concept really applies to the series too well when most of the games are loosely connected, and the timelines are only really well-documented in supplementary materials which Nintendo now sees fit to retcon at their whim. The idea that they're locked off from using Ganon again for whatever reason doesn't hold much water since they can just set games farther and farther into the future and not really be constrained by anything.

They're not locked off from using Ganon again; they've just told every story they can tell with him.

Any story they can tell at this point will just be a repeat of something else. Hasn't TP (kind of) proven this?

No? I mean, BotW just came out and used Ganon in a new way- a rampaging thing that's more natural disaster than life form; an ancient curse that's come back over and over again, the continual and to some extent unstoppable corruption of Hyrule.

All of those things are completely new aspects of his portrayal- the closest any of it comes having been discussed in any previous games in Demise's curse at the end of SS, and that's mostly just a last minute thing to establish a connection between the villains of that game and the rest of the series.

So, like, if you were saying back when TP was the most recent game, I could see your point. I could see the argument for what you were saying after SS. But claiming Nintendo's clearly run out of ideas for how to utilize him right after they started using him a completely new way is nonsense.

There's a gazillion ways they could use Ganon. You lack imagination if you think there's nothing new left to do with him.

@earlier conversation: I had to leave for work, but Ano pretty much said what I would've anyway.

Does Breath of the Wild have a lot of story? I gather much of the game is just wandering in the wilderness doing various activities, but I've heard there is a main quest. How involved is that questline? Like, do you get an explanation as to why Ganon is now Calamity Ganon?

Zelda has one line at the end that might've been intended as a explanation of that. Otherwise it's just the way it is.

But 'how involved in the main quest' is kind of a tricky question for me to answer. Like, fairly involved, I suppose, depending on how much you count as main quest. Though I guess one answer is that there's not a whole lot of what I would call plot- nothing really happens that's not a direct result of Link's actions. And the only thing stopping you from just charging off to fight Ganon the moment you get out of the starting area is the fact that beating him would be nearly impossible with early game equipment.

I do know this much:

As soon as I play the game, I'm going to immediately check Youtube to see who tried to beat him with early game equipment and succeeded...

Because you know someone did it.

BotW's plot is... kinda complicated. There's not a whole lot to it, honestly. You reclaim the four Divine Beasts- which is always a pretty simple affair- and then you go fight Ganon. There's also reclaiming Link's memories but doing that has almost no impact on the events of modern day. It has more plot than Zelda 1 but I'd argue that it has less plot than LttP and every main Zelda game since.

That being said, BotW has, to me, far more emotional impact than any past Zelda game and it has some pretty great writing. The Zora Quest, in particular, will always stick with me because of how much raw emotion it managed to pull out of my withered husk of a heart. That and the assault on Vah Ruta is the most badass sequence in all of Zelda hands down.

The current record is around 40-50 minutes.

edited 23rd May '17 7:02:30 PM by Zelenal

There was a fellow who did a speedrun that clocked in...I wanna say 1h48mins (probably completely wrong). It could have been shorter but he died in the final boss.

The main obstacle would be weapon durability. With early game stuff, you'd have to go in with a very specific plan to avoid running out of means of hurting him before he runs out of HP. Also he could kill you one hit, but that's not really a problem to the kind of person who makes a video like that.

edited 23rd May '17 7:05:50 PM by Gilphon

BOTW's plot is a bit odd.

Each of the four major areas has its own sort of self-contained miniplot that ends with reclaiming the Divine Beast, but the main plot itself- of battling Calamity Ganon -doesn't really have much story to it in the present.

However, there's an optional quest to reclaim all of Link's memories. They chronicle the past fight with Ganon and basically serve as the game's plot, as well as housing most of Zelda's characterization.

edited 23rd May '17 8:32:21 PM by Anomalocaris20

@Zel: I completely agree that BOTW has the emotional impact down.

I actually thought that after MM, they completely forgot what it meant to make characters meaningful. WW started a trend that later bottomed in the TP-SS decline that the characters were little more than glorified textboxes of explanation with no emotion whatsoever.

But somehow, BOTW brought it all back. The characters actually have feelings, wants, and hopes again!

yeah i'll agree barring a few exceptions the games really did focus too hard on Zelda Link and Crenando + whatever Skippy Sidekick they had at the time

here most of the characters besides like

revali's descendant

they stuck out to me

... Revali had a descendant? Are you sure you didn't mean Daruk's descendant?

wasn't the bird dude who helped you get onto Vah Medoh his descendant? or is that like

mixing itself in my mind

i cant remember shit about him

Pretty sure he wasn't. He was just some random warrior who refused to give up.

wow doesnt even have THAT to his name

Long story short: Dude breaks the laws of physics to get to the castle asap and doesn't need to worry about weapon durability because he can perfectly parry lasers and there's stuff just lying around inside the castle.

... oh yeah, I forgot to update y'all about my situation. It turns out, I kinda sorta found all the shrines by myself but I also had to use a map eventually...? And meanwhile I learned an important yet painful message.

The thing is. I planned to finally stop stalling and finish the game on Sunday. So Saturday was the last chance to check all the places I thought I might've missed. One or two days before Saturday, we were already on our wild goose chase, me and my mother, who's been mostly just watching. I teleported to the top of the Ridgeland Tower and she told me to check to the north of it, but I was sure I'd already combed that area long ago, so I went somewhere else. Cut back to Saturday, it's late and I'm at my wit's end, just idly checking the stable to the north-east of the Ridgeland Tower to see if I missed any NPCs. So I gave in and compared the maps. And there it was.

North to the Ridgeland Tower. Like 10 feet from where I was standing that moment. I moved west for a second and the sensor started beeping.

Apparently... I must've noticed the shrine signal back when I was scouring the area, then got distracted by something else and completely forgot about it?! That's the only way I can make sense of how that happened...

So, take heed, my friends: Never get yourself ADHD. And always listen to your mother.