Dragon Age

Zevran isn't sixteen.

But Dragon Age isn't exactly a medieval society. Ferelden is one of the more medieval places, but overall culture is heavily differed. Wynne specifically is from the Circle of Magi, a multicultural environment with direct access to healing magic and a life of "leisure", and is a mage who has found the Circle her "home" from her very first appearance, so you can't really say she's going to be aging from the extra stress of the time.

I don't have a problem with her being a grandmother, persay, in that it's possible, but being treated like one on instinct by others seems extremely unlikely. She also whines about being old a lot, and is worried that she'll drop dead any time soon now. The age thing seems especially weird if Loghain, the guy who grew up a poacher and now fights darkspawn gruellingly every day of his life (and is slowly being poisoned), can still go around fit as a fiddle.

edited 11th May '15 11:29:31 AM by Lavaeolus

Yeah, Dragon Age doesn't feel "medieval" at all in a lot of ways. It's strange that realistic rules for medieval aging suddenly apply to Wynne and only to her. :P

Again, it doesn't matter that much as you can basically headcanon her however you want. Still, it's curious.

You can have Batman as a party member????

Zevran both looks and talks like he's still pretty young to me.

Also, when Wynne says, "I could be your grandmother," she's not saying she's carefully researched Zevran's precise date of birth and then calculated possible relationships between the two. She's making a rough visual estimate, and possibly exaggerating a little. The point is that she's old and he's not.

Wynne being old enough to be Zevran's grandmother is casual dialogue between the characters, not a developer statement as to their official ages. Dialogue is not an infallible testament of absolute truth.

edited 11th May '15 12:13:01 PM by TobiasDrake

I earned my Master Alchemist trophy! All my resistance tonics are maxed out, as well as my mighty offence tonic. I also maxed out my healing and lyrium potions.

No, but you wouldn't call someone only about twenty to twenty five years younger than you young enough to be your grandson, nor would you complain about how you're such an old woman. Saying she's old enough to be his mother in that context would be far more likely. If she was 58 instead of 48 I could buy it on the casual dialogue basis even though it still wouldn't really be true.

edited 11th May '15 2:02:43 PM by Arha

Okay, so this comes out of left field, but does anyone know if the Tier 4 crafting materials in the Emporium restock?

Unfortunately, the Tier 3 and 4 materials don't restock, at least as far as I am aware.

If you've got it on PC, You can use the Cheat Engine to give yourself a ton. I gave everyone a set of Dragon Armor and its fun.

EDIT: lol Someone listed Inquisition under Dethroning Moment of Suck (first off, I really haven't seen a crap load of retconning in Inquisition) and clearly missed the point and wildly misinterpreted several things. lol

edited 12th May '15 12:58:07 AM by InkDagger

Seems more like unfortunate implications to me.

I would hardly say the level blames the elves for how opressed they are in modern Thedas. And, while there are similarities, I don't think elves are a perfect and complete allegory for racial minorities.

I should hardly think every plot twist that paints a character or group of characters in a negative light be counted as a message for all people of that group.

I thought it was a rather brilliant plot twist and rather unexpected and I don't think we have nearly enough details to put it into Unfortunate Implications.

Are people still mad about what Inquistion revealed about the elves? Did people think they had never done anything wrong ever?

They have a fucked up past like every other faction in the setting. Being oppressed shouldn't and isn't going to exempt them from that.

Guys, people. The Internet. If there's even the slightest reason somebody can be morally outraged at something, somebody will be. And if there isn't even the slightest reason, somebody will still be morally outraged because I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY RIGHTEOUS OUTRAGE.

(Also, it's not like the fact that elves destroyed themselves through war instead of being invaded makes their following enslavement any less evil, is it.)

edited 12th May '15 11:16:23 PM by Cozzer

Go back far enough and everyone's ancestors did horrible things. So no Unfortunate Implications there. That being said, that entry does fit the requirements of DMOS, so it must stay.

What are those requirements?

"This is the worst moment, in your mind, for any character, work, series, or entire franchise. This is the nadir, the lowest point, the polar opposite of the Moment Of Awesome. It is the moment you hang your head in shame when thinking about, or pretend never happened."

Later on, it stipulates a work can have only one moment.

• It must be something that actually happened in the work in question (aka no making shit up)
• It must be a fan reaction to media and not a real life example.
• Don't complain about DMOS as a whole in your entry.
• It must be a specific moment.
• Don't natter.
• Don't just whine about how bad the work has become.
• No ALLCAPS, no bold, no italics

I don't agree with the entry, but it doesn't violate the wiki's rules and the person who posted it is entitled to their opinion.

Ugh. We shouldn't even have a trope like that in the first place, though.

Honestly, if I wouldn't get banned for it, I'd purge the entire Darth Wiki except for the games like Paint the Hero Black.

Darth Wiki is the best part of the site.

From what I understand, DMOS isn't even an actual trope. It's a legacy thing that survives as a way to let people vent in a "safe" space withtout bothering the actual tropes.

IIRC, the Darth Wiki started as a place to put evil-themed joke pages, then it was decided to place all of the flamebait tropes in there so people who don't want to see them don't have to.

Pretty much. It's the wiki's septic tank.

I frequently forget it exists.