Updating Image Pickin' thread reasons

Note that Willbyr didn't actually suggest a separate category for meme pics, only mentioning them as something that would go under Not Allowed (or whatever it gets called).

"Policy Issue" doesn't sound distinct from "Not Allowed", and "Serious Issue" or "Major Issue" would just come off as The Same, but More. It's not immediately clear what would go in each category.

I'm not quite clear why a single suggestion would go under Pic Change but multiple suggestions would go under Suggestions, unless the assumption is that someone who has multiple suggestions for a page with an existing pic would likely have a reason for wanting to change the existing pic that would fall under one of the other thread reasons. Worth noting, though, that someone may identify a problem with the current pic but their reason for bringing it up is because they have an idea for a replacement, and those sorts of people might be filing their threads under Suggestion now even if one of the other reasons could apply.

It seems like Willbyr's Poor Image category would encompass both, and I think what you describe is what's covered by Poor Image now.

Edited by MorganWick on Apr 25th 2023 at 7:10:39 AM

I think poor image should get a better name than that, because when I read it, I keep thinking that it's about the image lacking in quality (ie, that it's blurry, dark, artifacted, etc.) instead of how well the image illustrates the trope. If we had to change does not illustrate, I would go with something like "poor illustration" or "not illustrative" or "doesn't fit", but that's my own opinion.

What if we took a lumper approach to this?

• Policy Violation
• Non-Illustrative
• Changed w/o Discussion
• Multiple Suggestions
• Other/Multiple

Here’s what I propose:

• Needs Help (default)
• Does Not Illustrate (the catch-all “bad image” reason)
• Changed Without Discussion (self-explanatory)
• Not Allowed (insta-pull; against the content or fair use policies, or a spoiler)
• Duplicate Image (separate from Not Allowed because it’s not an insta-pull)
• Suggestions (to make it clear that it’s for multiple suggestions)

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Apr 25th 2023 at 3:32:05 PM

I like that better. Would pick Wording besides "Not Allowed", which besides sounding awkward, might be mistakenly read as "Page can't have an image at all", but good catch on Duplicate Image.

Hmmmm...you know, I could live with that as a starting point, and then if more updates need to be made, those can be discussed later.

The thought process there is that Suggestions is for when you're pitching more than one idea for a page without an image, since single suggestions for such are being processed in a dedicated thread. Pic Change would be for any case where there's already a pic on the page but you want to suggest a replacement and it doesn't meet one of the other criteria.

Now that I think about it, I think Pic Change or Image Change would be good to add to .

Edited by Willbyr on Apr 25th 2023 at 2:59:06 PM

How about “Not Allowed” be replaced with “Rule Breaker” for NSFW images, spoilers, and violations of fair use?

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Apr 25th 2023 at 4:29:19 AM

IDK, that seems like it'll devolve into "this person is breaking the IP rules" stuff.

How about “content policy violation”

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Apr 25th 2023 at 4:31:43 AM

And that makes it sound like it's about porn.

"Content Policy" only implies NSFW Edit

Edited by ANonagon9 on Apr 25th 2023 at 4:33:00 AM

I think "Image Breaks Site Rules" could avoid the "person is breaking IP rules" concern Warjay brought up by making it clear that it's the picture that's problematic, but something about it is bothering me.

Either it still might create the unintentional assumption that the pic's there for being NSFW, or it sticks out due to being a bit... wordier than the other reasons.

Why not just the previously proposed "Policy Violation"?

I’d be fine with Policy Violation too. If you want to change a pic, it would usually go under Does Not Illustrate because there’s no point to bringing to IP in the first place if it’s already a good image.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Apr 25th 2023 at 8:06:11 AM

Not necessarily; we do occasionally have threads that replace pics that technically aren't bad, such as different crops, updating work pics, or changing actor or character images.

There's also a few that are "current is better than nothing, but this is best"

Would Suggestion(s) look too hokey?

Edited by ANonagon9 on Apr 25th 2023 at 9:22:00 AM

I think I would split "bad images" in two:

• Poor Quality (image is bad on its own, fairly objective, likely to be resolved quickly either by finding a better version or by cutting without replacement)
• Does Not Illustrate (image looks fine but just doesn't benefit the page, basically the default for opening a discussion without any ideas but has a better chance of being deemed Keep Until Better Image Suggested)

And then the rest more or less as Guma laid them out.

• Changed Without Discussion
• Policy Violation (clearer than Not Allowed)
• Duplicate Image
• Suggestions

(I think the plural is better, but "Suggestion(s)" is fine too. We could also avoid the question entirely with something like "Alternatives", since the only reason to start a thread with a single suggestion is if there's another image already on the page.)

How about "Suggested Alternative" or "Suggested Upgrade" for Pic Change and something like "Decide on an Image" for Multiple Suggestions?

to anything with "Quality" in it as IP defines that pretty strictly to how the image looks.

Those are what I was thinking that section would be for (blurry, dark, artefacted, small, badly-edited, etc). Things that make the image bad regardless of what page it's on. Lumping them together with images that are an acceptable quality but are too long, texty, misleading, or JAFAAC doesn't make sense to me for the reasons I mentioned.

Ah, I see. Still, we don't need a separate reason for quality issues since there's a dedicated thread for handling such images, and anything that's posted to that thread that couldn't be cleaned up could use "Does Not Illustrate" as its reason.