Oftentimes here in Trope Talk, we get questions about whether or not a given trope is tropeworthy enough, or is an example of the kind of non-tropes discussed in People Sit on Chairs. These threads are extremely frequent, and per discussion
in the TRS meta thread, this megathread was created.
This will be a centralized place to ask: is this article I found tropeworthy? Does it convey meaning or is it used to tell the story, or is it just something that happens to exist in a work? Ask here, and hopefully you will get the answers you need.
Remember, something that is "(people sit on) chairs" means it's happenstance or conveys no meaning. Something that also happens in real life, is common, is rare, or seems minor is not the same as being chairs.
As an additional note, keep this in mind when bringing tropes in, as noted by amathieu13:
Edited by Tabs on Oct 29th 2023 at 10:08:41 AM
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I know, Most Writers Are Writers has been under discussion due to its non-descriptive name, too.
A cleanup would at least get rid of the "comic artists exist" examples, so ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to that.
I personally feel that it needs a rename, though, because the current name is super chairs-y.
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The clown of STEEL
Not sure if it this would be the correct thread, but I'd rename Sequential Artist as "Recursive Sequential Artist"; just to emphasize the function of a sequential artists' Author Avatar or surrogate.
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Is Fantasy Helmet Enforcement really tropeworthy? I don't know if it has enough merit to be a TIA, since Free-Range Children tend to protect each other whenever they're side-by-side anyways, children's show or not (so narrowing it down to helmets might be a little arbitrary).
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From Most Writers Are Writers:
Sequential Artist came up less than a year ago; see also my remarks at that time.
The clown of STEEL
Just tried to check the wicks to Sequential Artist, it currently has 178.
I checked one of those wicks, and it was one that I thought was the most improbable page to have a link to Sequential Artist: it was "Recap.Fazbear Frights Into The Pit.
Well, it was about this character, Oscar, going back in time to the 80s to confront one of the animatronics of Five Nights at Freddy's.
And between all of this, some troper wanted to remind us that "Sequential Artist: Oswald is noted to be an aspiring comicbook artist, and he oftem sketched in his notebook".
Looking back, I should've deleted that entry. Is it relevant to anything else in the work? Can more context be added, if it has any context at all? Is Oswald meant to be an Author Avatar or just to show off the creator's knowledge in sequential art, assuming it is a comic in the first place, and that the creator is also interested in comics?
Edited by TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit on Apr 19th 2024 at 6:39:11 PM
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The clown of STEEL
Bumping?
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I don't know anything about the work, but it's literature, so it's not a sequential artist writing a sequential artist protagonist. I personally think it sounds like "sequential artist exists."
Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Apr 19th 2024 at 11:58:52 AM
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It's a book based on a video game franchise made by a man who isn't a comic artist. So.
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The clown of STEEL
I don't want to look like I wanna change the subject, but should we discuss Non-Ironic Clown and I Hit You, You Hit The Ground?
The latter in particular had a lot of issues: I even proposed to cut its Playing With page in the cut list earlier today, because its "playing with"s were just variations on characters saying "me hit u n u hit grund"; I haven't got any notifications about it yet.
The description on the main page also kinda pissed me off; it could be summed up as "This is when a character says 'I hit you, and you hit the ground', and that Stock Phrase is Exactly What It Says on the Tin", which instead made it very bad at explaining what the trope means.
I guess there's a sliver of tropeworthyness in I Hit You, You Hit The Ground (a strong character boasting), but lemme tell ya, this trope was one of the reasons No New Stock Phrases was allowed to exist.
The clown of STEEL
Bump.
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The clown of STEEL
I'm being serious. The Trope Repair Shop is full, so I can't bring either Non-Ironic Clown or I Hit You, You Hit The Ground there. If we discuss them, we must do it here.
Is this thread dead?
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
That isn't how it works. You still need to go to TRS. If you want to help open slots, then help close threads. We can discuss them here but we can do nothing else.
Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 21st 2024 at 12:45:35 PM
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As for the tropes themselves:
- Non-Ironic Clown: It is true that Monster Clowns have seemingly overtaken traditional clowns in fiction, but it does seem like Non-Ironic Clown exists more so out of contradiction than anything in particular. There might still be some valid tropes regarding traditional clowns, however; maybe about how fictional clowns are depicted as always cheerful?
- I Hit You, You Hit The Ground: While old Stock Phrases are largely grandfathered in (as far as I’m aware of), this one isn’t really thriving, given that it seems to be rather niche.
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Useful Note
Looks like a Trope in Aggregate to me.
What's the deal with Can't See a Damn Thing? Just "Blindness exists"?
It seems to be an index for the tropes listed on the page. Though it's strange that it also has examples on its own.
Officially intimidated
It's a Super-Trope. Blindness is used for many plot devices, sometimes for humor and sometimes for drama. It's definitely not chairs.
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Chairs are also used for many tropes, however PSOC is still not a trope.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I think I agree with MFE. The act of making a character blind seems inherently meaningful for a story since it's always going to impact the plot somehow.
I dunno if we need examples of the supertrope, but it does feel like a tropeworthy concept
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Can shapeshift (probably)
I think the problem is that it's not literally blindness-specific; it seems to be a catch-all for any time a character can't make out what's in front of them.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I think there's still something to that, though it being blindness specific would make it stronger.
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Very Spooky
Perhaps, but it just makes me realize we lack a more general Dramatic Slo-Mo trope.
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What do the others think? Should we make some cleanup on Sequential Artist? Or does it need a more drastic approach?
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