From the paragraph about works on Main.Analysis, I think this part (emphasis mine) is relevant:

Did I misinterpret it?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 1st 2023 at 5:27:27 AM

It's been a while. Should we have a crowner for whether to make any of the proposed namespaces, whether it's the MediaNotes/ proposal or Morgan's proposals (Platform/, Meta/, moving video game consoles to Creator, etc.)? I'd prefer if someone else compiled a list of options before one is made so nothing is missed.

So far I can gather this from the conversation, but unsure if about one page of posts is enough for a namespace talk.

• Add more statements to "debunk media stereotypes; help understand media; inform about subjects in storytelling" part at Main.Useful Notes to conform to current types of pages.
• Rename Useful Notes (Media History and Media Notes were suggested).
• Keep Useful Notes/ as-is and reinforce its purpose stated at Main.Useful Notes, while making new specialized namespaces to some move pages to (Platform/, Media/, etc).

Erm... renaming Useful Notes isn't on the table. The idea is to move pages that don't quite fit the scope of Useful Notes (game console pages and other technology-related pages, in particular) to new locations, if we keep them. Media History or Media Notes (whichever name we use) was intended to exist alongside Useful Notes, not in place of it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 6th 2023 at 8:51:12 AM

I've misread then.

I said something along the lines if the name "Useful Notes" being way broader than its intended use, but I think it's too entrenched to justify a wholesale name change.

I don't disagree. I just feel that grandfathering in the name for pages that unambiguously fit the mission listed on the Useful Notes index would mean less work if we move pages that don't clearly fit the mission elsewhere.

So saying the same thing worded differently

...Yeah, I suppose so. I was checking multiple threads at the time and probably didn't put much thought into whether what I said covered anything your post didn't.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 6th 2023 at 11:30:37 AM

All good, I do the same thing

Would these be our options? I'm not 100% sure on this one, so I don't want to be hasty with crowner creation, so I'm asking for feedback first.

• Create a Platform/ namespace for media platforms (game consoles, operating systems, etc., like Nintendo Game Cube, Microsoft Windows, and Steam). Not mutually exclusive with the creation of a Background/ or Meta/ namespace.
• Create a Background/ or Meta/ namespace for pages like like How Video Game Specs Work or ANSI Standard Broadcast TV Schedule. Which name to use would be decided with another crowner. Not mutually exclusive with the creation of a Platform/ namespace.
• Create a MediaNotes/, MediaHistory/, or Media/ namespace for both media platforms and meta/background concepts. Mutually exclusive with both other options, and the name would be decided with another crowner.

The main concern is moving pages that don't fit Useful Notes out of that category (if they aren't deleted entirely) instead of doing anything with Useful Notes proper and pages that do fit that category, so I focused on seeing if I could compile options related to new namespaces. Did I miss anything?

Edit: Oh, right, and I wanted to check to see if I got the scopes of the namespace suggestions right (since MediaNotes/ was the original suggestion, then the other two suggestions came later).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2023 at 9:34:02 AM

People were also considering to just expand Useful Notes itself, which I guess is another option here (because not everyone even agrees that we need a new namespace in the first place).

But one of the mods said that would be saying the misuse is okay and that they refused to let that happen. And I agree. We can keep the fact pages but having them be Useful Notes is misuse.

I agree, but that's because Useful Notes as it currently exists doesn't allow it. Hence why some people are proposing an expansion instead. What Gaston said is off the table is renaming UN, not expanding it. If this post is meant to say that Useful Notes expansion is also off the table, that should be clarified, because it's not clear if it's his opinion or an actual mod statement.

Edit: And to be clear I'm not in favor of expanding Useful Notes either, I also think it'd just decay the namespace even more; I'm just trying to make sure we're all on the same page and that if this is still an option, it's not excluded.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 7th 2023 at 4:47:06 AM

All right, I suppose expanding it would be an option. I did say renaming UN was what was off the table.

I just got out of bed, so I don't feel like making a crowner quite yet.

The "keep and expand" option mentions a rename crowner — that's a mistake, right?

I'm not seeing that, and I checked the history and it doesn't look like it was something that was added by mistake and removed by another mod. I only added references for selecting a name for new namespaces that have had multiple name suggestions (MediaNotes/ and Background/ had other name suggestionts) as far as I know.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2023 at 11:05:15 AM

OK, so double posting because currently, only the creation of a Platform/ namespace has consensus, and while it's too early to call it, I thought I'd comment that if that stays within consensus range while the other options don't, pages that would not fit in the Platform/ namespace would stay in Useful Notes. Alternatively, if the statuses of the Platform/ namespace option and the Background/Meta namespace option switch places in terms of which one has consensus, we'd do the inverse by moving meta concepts to a new namespace while keeping platforms in Useful Notes. (But while Platform/ doesn't have enough votes yet, it's unanimous, so I'm speaking hypothetically.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2023 at 11:09:30 AM

Someone did change it; this is what it used to say:

"Keep the pages discussed in this thread (media platforms, meta/background concepts, etc.) in the Useful Notes category/namespace. Mutually exclusive with both other options, and the name would be decided with another crowner."

OK, I do see that I actually did initially put that there by mistake, and missed it when I checked the history earlier. That was a mistake that came about from basing that option's text on the MediaNotes/ option's text (and I fixed it when I was making adjustments to multiple options); as I said, renaming wasn't actually on the table, so that was an oversight.

I'm going to go back to having some coffee (which I probably should have had more of before working on this instead of after due to how much serial tweaking I had to do to get the crowner options in good shape).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2023 at 11:17:26 AM

Lol, no worries.

Oh, right, and I took what I said in this post and added it to the crowner's header to clarify how to treat those options.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 7th 2023 at 11:24:48 AM

I think that a new namespace is a good idea, though I haven't decided if I have a preference for whether "platform" and "meta" groups should combined or split.

But one thing I want to pitch in: this has been focusing on video game stuff so far, but should/could we potentially expand this to other areas? Because I think that the "platform" namespace could include not just consoles and OSes but also TV/movie Networks and streaming services currently in the Creator namespace like CBS, NBC, Netflix, and Disney+. (Admittedly, it does get complicated since many of them are creators of new works...)

I myself voted for "Media Notes," since in theory, it could also encompass stuff like Mass Storage and its subpages (e.g. Cartridge, Magnetic Disk, Compact Disc, etc.) in addition to video game consoles and operating systems.