Old Magnificent Bastard thread
Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard (MB) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List
Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a MB has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's MBs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any MB link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an MB link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved MBs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their MB equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:36:43 AM
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Cut the Batman villains
In honor of Akira Toriyama
I'm gonna trust mir here... with long running MBs it's best to get an understanding of tone, rather than taking a single moment where they might perform a particularly cruel act and claim it wholly characterizes them. I've said "bastard" is a part of the trope name enough times now and we have many examples who embody a bold, brilliant charm while being willing to get their hands quite dirty. If Bane's placement isn't being challenged I think we can call it here.
All that being said... cut the trio.
Edited by PassingThrough on Mar 16th 2024 at 10:31:54 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Keep Bane, cut that Bane henchmen trio.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Carrot Clone
Cut Bane’s trio
"It doesn't matter anymore. You win. It is Duck Season."
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Cut the Batman trio
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Goku Black
So uh something I want to ask.
Currently ib Yu-Gi-Oh! the entires for antimony, Z one and Ai. List them as dead at the end.
So uh sort of an issue. So Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links came out which is Canon. Basically the one and only Seto kaiba creates a digital world which it turns out can access other worlds and times and hence all our heroes and villains get to meet. It also uses memories of people to revive past Verisons of people. But in this case since there guys are robots or robotic. They flatout come back to life.
So Anyway all three of them got revived in it. Antimony/Bruno and Ai do a full Heel–Face Turn at the end and haven't done much but investigate what's happening. Z One is kinda interesting. They reveal he's the one whose implied to have set up Sayer/Divine's defeat since he could have hindered bis plans. Also this event reveals that uh his plans were All for Nothing. As no amount of changing the past would save his future due to the multiverse theory. Eventually he accepts and leaves.
At the end him and the rest of illister who are all alive again decide to watch over 5ds and retire. Determined that they'll do good. Bruno /Antimony goes back to rejoin them.
So what do you want? Expansion?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Kept meaning to bring this up here, but as far as I could tell, Ai was never approved by the thread? Same with Bohman, who also has an entry under that series. Couldn't find any evidence of approval, but I wanted to double check.
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
Goku Black
Oh going off the page history. It seems iceaura added them. Their definitely a member of the thread so i think they might have. Let me check
Oh wait I found it. here
Edited by miraculous on Mar 17th 2024 at 12:51:12 PM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ah never mind, it seems they were in the sandbox. Iceaura was just porting them from the main franchise page, so I didn't look as far back as I should have since I think it was harder to search page history at the time. My bad.
Edit: And you found it just after I posted this, lol
On your points, I dunno, I personally question the insistence that Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links is unambiguously canon to the anime. Especially since some series are just doing alternate canon retellings. So I don't know how much it matters there. Also the game is pretty clear they're still memory recreations rather than literally coming back to life. I think they've still been ambiguous on Ai at this point but it's probably the case with him, too.
Edited by Oshawott337 on Mar 17th 2024 at 2:02:38 AM
"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
I've found another character - Veeva Dash from Stampy's Lovely World - who was proposed and unanimously approved, but the write-up never seemed to come, at least I haven't been able to find it anywhere.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Doki Doki Literature Club! – Monika has been merged back to Doki Doki Literature Club!, so do with that what you will.
BTW, do you want me to continue the updates, or is someone else obsessively checking like I am? ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
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Would Yandere work as a replacement pothole for Monika's name?
Edit 1: I just noticed that there are two Sandboxes for Quotes.Magnificent Bastard: Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Quotes and Sandbox.Quotes Magnificent Bastard. The first of these sandboxes is the one that's primarily used for adding quotes to the page and is the sandbox that's the most up to date, so does anybody mind if I Cut List the second sandbox?
Edit 2: It seems like Quotes.Magnificent Bastard is also a "glitched page" like MagnificentBastard.Western Animation and MagnificentBastard.Comic Books, since the page repeatedly shows a quote from Azula being removed in the page history, but it's still listed on the quotes page.
Edited by jlvs200s on Mar 18th 2024 at 10:01:47 AM
"Kenny isn't evil, he just did a little too much trolling. :p" | He/Him
I certainly am not and honestly appreciate it ACW, it’s more fun than just leaving their names unmarked.
I noticed a small inaccuracy in Artemis Fowl’s writeup.
- Artemis Fowl II himself is a teenage criminal mastermind and heir to the illustrious Fowl Crime family. A true Evil Genius, Artemis exploits a law of the fairies to force them to give him gold by kidnapping one of their agents, Holly Short and holding off their siege for a full day, outwitting them the whole while. In the second book, Artemis convinces LEPrecon agent Holly Short to begin trusting him and aids in dismantling a conspiracy headed by Opal Koboi and her partner Briar Cudgeon, with Artemis' revelation causing the enraged Opal to kill Cudgeon for his planned treachery. Saving his father from the mob by faking killing and then reviving him, Artemis later outplays a brutal Arms Dealer, tricking the man into letting him be attacked by the fairies. After claiming his prize, Artemis even circumvents his own ordered mind wiping, having an ally of his store his memories to be stored and returned to him later on. Even in his eventual turn to good, Artemis remains an intelligent and suave gentleman, now using his skills to protect the fey from harm and going from one of their greatest enemies to their greatest ally.
The character, Jon Spiro, is a Corrupt Corporate Executive, not an Arms Dealer. What do you think of this edit?
- Artemis Fowl II himself is a teenage criminal mastermind and heir to the illustrious Fowl Crime family. A true Evil Genius, Artemis exploits a law of the fairies to force them to give him gold by kidnapping one of their agents, Holly Short and holding off their siege for a full day, outwitting them the whole while. In the second book, Artemis convinces Holly to begin trusting him and aids in dismantling a conspiracy headed by Opal Koboi and her partner Briar Cudgeon, with Artemis' revelation causing the enraged Opal to kill Cudgeon for his planned treachery. Saving his father from the mob by faking killing and then reviving him, Artemis later outplays a brutal businessman, tricking the man into letting himself be attacked by the fairies. After claiming his prize, Artemis even circumvents his own ordered mind wiping, having an ally of his store his memories to be returned to him later on. Even in his eventual turn to good, Artemis remains an intelligent and suave gentleman, now using his skills to protect the fey from harm and going from one of their greatest enemies to their greatest ally.
Yeah that tweak looks fine
Just a fact correction, you're all good!
That looks good, but I'd also split up this sentence:
Those are two unrelated events in two different books. Suggestion:
- Artemis Fowl II himself is a teenage criminal mastermind and heir to the illustrious Fowl Crime family. A true Evil Genius, Artemis exploits a law of the fairies to force them to give him gold by kidnapping one of their agents, Holly Short and holding off their siege for a full day, outwitting them the whole while. In the second book, Artemis convinces Holly to begin trusting him and aids in dismantling a conspiracy headed by Opal Koboi and her partner Briar Cudgeon, with Artemis' revelation causing the enraged Opal to kill Cudgeon for his planned treachery. He goes on to save his father from the mob by faking killing him and then reviving him. Artemis later outplays a brutal businessman, tricking the man into letting himself be attacked by the fairies. After claiming his prize, Artemis even circumvents his own ordered mind wiping, having an ally of his store his memories to be returned to him later on. Even in his eventual turn to good, Artemis remains an intelligent and suave gentleman, now using his skills to protect the fey from harm and going from one of their greatest enemies to their greatest ally.
That looks even better.
I proposed a new write-up for Jin Kuwana from Lost Judgment a while back, added it to the drafts and it was then taken from there, assuming it was going for the next batch. New in this thread so I don't know about your schedules, but is the new write-up supposed to be in the YMMV already?
Edited by Kookosbanaani on Mar 20th 2024 at 9:25:06 AM
You just copy-paste it from the locked page to the YMMV yourself and leave an edit reason linking to the post you did the rewrite on so people know it was thread-approved.
It isn't in the subpage either which is locked.
Not the Eye
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Artemis Fowl rewrite.
Now that me and Mir have proposed some Moriarty the Patriot MB, let me bring up one cut from it.
- Louis James Moriarty, the youngest of the three James Moriarty brothers, brings a ruthless, efficient practicality to the Lord of Crime’s name, balancing out his brothers’ theatrical flair with an ever-questioning mind hunting for weaknesses in their murderous plots. His massive case of Big Brother Worship means he’d follow his older brothers to the ends of the earth and off it, but his true magnificence shines once The Glasses Come Off and he takes over his brothers’ roles as head of the Moriarty syndicate and MI 6 without either of them to rely on for help. Louis proves himself a true leader with no interest or attention to spare toying with his enemies when he could shut them down before a bystander has a chance to even notice something awry.
Louises problem is very simple, he dosen’t really do much. For pretty much entire series his role is to be William’s butler and The Watson so audience could get explanation of his plots, lacking integral role or individual plots Albert and Moran have. He only starts getting more agency when he asks Sherlock to stop William from commiting suicide and end up as head of MI 6, however story then time skips to 3 years later and while he is does do neat job leading others in mission, arc focusing on Sherlock’s return means that once again dosen’t get much chance to shine.
Now, its clear that he did go a long way in those years, but we don’t actually get any information about what he has exactly done and plot we do see is smart, but nothing special for series. Now manga is scheluded to eventually continue, so I can definetely see this changing, but from where we are at now, I am gonna say we cut him.
Edited by EmperorGeode on Mar 21st 2024 at 2:25:56 AM
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Cut him then
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Sorry, I meant MB. I know Bane's not a CM, but doing that to Bird seems excessive for a Noble Demon. Unless Bird was an Asshole Victim.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts