Pages Needing Wiki Magic criteria/problems

Hooked a crowner for Pages Needing Wiki Magic. I guess we want to lock the subpages we'll need further discussion and another crowner.

Should I advertise this in ATT? Or do you want to?

If you want to advertise the crowner on ATT, you are free to do that.

I will do that.

Alright, I've made the announcement.

Recap of suggestions so far (not a crowner)

• Remove entries from Pages Needing Wiki Magic, each problem type goes to corresponding subindex so they can be handled separately. Make new subindexes if needed.
• Limit Works Needing Tropes to 3-8 on-page examples. Less than 3 is an automatic cut and more than 8 is healthy.
• Forbid tropers indexing pages they've made. Pages shouldn't be made in condition that requires help right away.

Not sure about option 1 yet but I agree with option 2 and 3.

Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 5th 2022 at 4:57:32 AM

I guess option 1 makes sense to me, but mostly because I never understood the point of the main page, or at least I've always thought it's been overused for things that fit better on the subindexes. So many of the listed works just use "need tropes" as a reason, which is already covered.

I also find that it's sort of arbitrary as to what's considered a page that "needs help" if there's no specific criteria.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 5th 2022 at 4:57:50 AM

Haven't formed much of a concrete opinion on Option 1 or 2 yet but a definite to Option 3.

Bumping. I know the recap wasn't a crowner suggestion but since discussion has died, maybe we should crowner our options?

I was thinking about this thread today actually.

A crowner might work.

Crowner hooked.

~MacronNotes just so you know, the link in the ATT points to Wiki Talk, not this thread

Sorry, that's fixed.

The point was that if an article was going to be on multiple (I was enforcing 3+) subindexes, then it made more sense to put it on the broader page. Essentially implying that only being on one subindex is fine, but multiple subpages makes it more likely to be cut.

It is entirely opposite to how we normally sort pages, so that structure may appear unintuitive to editors familiar with the normal rules. The fact that some editors used it for "advertising" of their pages is a sore point for me.

Oi, welcome back Crazy for one thing, been a little bit, we missed you :)

Yeah, it is very unintuitive for me as to where everything is supposed to go and why. Like, I'm not really sure it's a good idea to have an index that runs differently from all other indexes like this, especially since people who don't get what it's for are still going to be adding things wherever they assume they go.

I am all for limiting the entries on Works Needing Tropes, though I suppose there is an issue about what to do with the numerous pages I've found while combing the Music/ namespace, where they are composer pages without a single trope attached (apparently there's still a murky understanding about whether they're Creator/ or Music/ though I'm under the understanding that it's the latter). Also should have brought up Creator/ pages since while examples are nice, they aren't as much of a priority as in work pages.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Aug 17th 2022 at 3:35:49 AM

Is there much to sort if the index is already sorted? Entries just need to be moved to each subpage provided in the context (ex. "Needs tropes and wicks" means adding to Works Needing Tropes and Pages Needing Wicks.) until only unclear ones remain.

Though I guess it's hard to do when the page is locked, so the sandbox can track what's already been moved.

Yeah, I mostly made the sandbox because the page was locked and to see if there were sections that needed to be split off.

Going to do more work on the sandbox tomorrow so that we eventually unlock Administrivia.Pages Needing Wiki Magic.

Seems that people just add more entries to the sandbox even though Admin/ is locked for this reason, so I'll prioritize next on sorting this. Maybe a bold note wouldn't hurt.

Wouldn't be the first time people used sandboxes as a substitute for the real page...

Btw what does "Found a trope whose page is pitiful, but don't want to champion a redux on Trope Launch Pad?" mean, in ancient times you could send tropes to TLP instead of TRS if they were lacking?

I've also changed a bit at Tropes Needing Examples as it was literally impossible.

Edited by Amonimus on Sep 6th 2022 at 11:55:06 AM