To-do list:
- This is now defined as "Network made a bad business decision regardless of intent that resulted in low returns, thus cancellation", as opposed to "Network intentionally sabotages the work", any form of speculation or audience complaining about Cancellation.
- After the description is updated (which is being done via Sandbox.Screwed By The Network), cleanup and discussion is being moved from TRS to Long-Term Projects.
The stats went like this.
- Correct Use with either a citation or specific explanation: 6/57
- Sounds like correct use but with no proof of mishandling or an intentional screwing: 6/57
- Primarily used to complain even if usage is otherwise correct: 4/57
- ZCE: 12/57
- Misuse: 19/57
- Unclear, Indices, References, and Potholes: 10/57
So while there are definitely some solid examples, a lot of the usage either lacks sufficient context, or is incorrect (either better fitting another trope or just being used for "any time a show does poorly"). This reminds me a lot of Getting Crap Past the Radar pre-cleanup, as this does describe a real occurrence, but heavily misused and often without sufficient context.
I'm unsure on an exact solution, although I've heard proposals as simple as "no action beyond a cleanup thread", to as radical as "move to Darth" (like What An Idiot).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 29th 2022 at 4:27:26 AM
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Crowner seems ready to call and we have two winning options but "description cleanup" part of the second confuses me a little. If we are redefining this trope per the current top option, wouldn't that be done in TRS? Or are we rewriting the description for clarity?
Macron's notes
the Retromancer
More like needs checking that the trope description does mean everything what we've agreed on and adjusted accordingly if not, then move to cleanup thread with that defenition in mind.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
How sweet it is
Definitely safe to call, as both options have 20+ in favor with little or no dissents. I'll do the honors.
Should we sandbox the description if we haven't already?
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the Retromancer
Reviewing the description, the first five paragraphs sound like "Executives are Slave to PR and intentionally let a show underperform to make themselves look like valuable managers", and the Cancellation bit is only in the disclaimer. Considering we've agreed that sabotaging is not mandatory, the entire description may need to be scrapped, so yeah maybe we need to sandbox it before anything else.
e: cough
Edited by Amonimus on May 28th 2022 at 11:11:05 AM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Have we agreed that sabotaging is misuse, or just that intentional sabotage is no longer required?
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the Retromancer
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Ah yes. But we did agree that it's "regardless of intent" and the trope page makes it sound like there is a bad intention without going into any other possible reasons. Also it includes "This is about intentional sabotage", which I take we've decided it isn't.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yeah, we should definitely still update it all. Maybe in a sandbox.
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I made Sandbox.Screwed By The Network. I didn't do anything to it. I just created it in case anyone wanted to work on the description.
Macron's notes
I NORMALLY hate whiny entries and so called license to whine tropes... but this is a trope is very much a thing. Things like Ollie's Pack and It's Pony had objectively good ratings, sometimes even higher than Spongebob (!) but they still got the burn off to Nicktoons treatment.
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I added a rewrite of the description to the sandbox since it seemed like the thread was stalling without one. Feedback on if I got the spirit of the new direction correct and obviously feel free to edit/change it if it's lacking
Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 2nd 2022 at 6:50:21 AM
The Unknown
Sandbox is here for ease of access.
I made some edits to de-emphasis the TV show angle since this isn't media-specific.
Edited by Karxrida on Jun 3rd 2022 at 12:59:34 PM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
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Bumping for feedback on the sandbox linked ^. I don't see any problems with new description and I think it fits the definition.
Macron's notes
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to the sandbox. Looks very good and I also do not see any problems.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
So are we good to swap?
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
The Unknown
I want to go over it for some minor rewrites before we swap it in. Can't at this very moment, but I should be good in a couple hours.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
So how are we on the sandbox?
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
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~Tropers/Karxrida Do you still plan to go over the sandbox?
Macron's notes
The Unknown
How the hell did you tag me if my handle didn't blue link lol.
I made some tweaks shortly after my initial post. It's probably fine for the most part now, and any other changes would just be me rewriting the entire thing to suit my personal style and dragging this discussion out.
Edited by Karxrida on Jun 27th 2022 at 12:33:48 PM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added a to-do list to the opening post and pinned it (though it won't matter much since the actual cleanup work is being deferred to Projects instead of being done by TRS, aside from changing the description).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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^^ You don't need to link trope names when pinging now. As long as you spell the name correctly the ping will work.
Anyways, I'll go ahead and swap in description now since people seemed to be fine with it.
Macron's notes
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'll go ahead and make the Projects thread so this thread can be closed.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Made the thread
, so time to close.
Crown Description:
What should be done with Screwed By The Network? Options are not mutually exclusive.
That's about the creator themselves, not the network.
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