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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#1: Feb 24th 2022 at 3:36:26 PM

Ambiguous Allegiance is a weird trope that has only 56 (non-Sandbox) wicksnote  and a confusing definition, that relies on audience confusion despite being mainspace. My Ambiguous Allegiance Wick Check shows that most of those 56 wicks are used to describe intentional ambiguity, or are at least written in a way to make it seem wholly objective. There's only 9 wicks that use it to describe audience confusion or are written speculatively, which would make it seem like this trope should just be rewritten and cleaned, but...

I'm not so sure about that anymore. Not only do a few wicks seem to be describing Enigmatic Minion instead, but we already have other "ambiguous allegiance" tropes, like Heel–Face Revolving Door, Wild Card, and the aforementioned Enigmatic Minion. However, the concept of "the audience debates about this character" seems like a valid Audience Reaction concept to me personally, and it's not one I think we have covered aside from the broader Alternative Character Interpretation.

What do I think we should do here? Well, with only 56 wicks and 336 inbounds, I think it'd be easiest to just cut or disambig this concept and maybe split the Audience Reaction concept off in the TLP. The nine wicks we have on the wick check might need to be rewritten, but they'd make a decent start, and with a better title I think this can be salvaged.

Now, this did go through TLP, but to nobody's surprise it had a very rushed process, zero hats, and like five examples, and though I have to say I'm astonished that the trope was almost named after a character from House of Anubis because nobody but me would've understood it a decade later, the current title isn't much more helpful. It's obvious that this one had a sloppy start from the get go and would've seriously benefited from more time in the oven... or just generally being made years later, when standards got raised.

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#3: Feb 24th 2022 at 3:52:46 PM

I think we should disambiguate between the tropes this is being used in place of, and move examples that rely on audience interpretation to Alternative Character Interpretation.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 24th 2022 at 5:53:08 AM

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#6: Feb 24th 2022 at 4:19:40 PM

Honestly, yeah, just moving the "correct" to Alternative Character Interpretation is fine by me.

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 24th 2022 at 7:19:53 AM

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#8: Feb 25th 2022 at 11:44:06 AM

Good with disambiguating this with the tropes mentioned above

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#9: Feb 27th 2022 at 1:11:00 PM

So, there's a crowner at the bottom but no options?

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#10: Feb 27th 2022 at 1:11:32 PM

Hooked a crowner since it's been three days.

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#11: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:22:56 PM

I think we can call it.

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#12: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:37:15 PM

Well, tomorrow would be the third day. So, we can call the crowner then.

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#13: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:38:00 PM

...Oh, right, I always forget that February ends early.

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#14: Mar 2nd 2022 at 4:17:34 AM

Calling crowner in favor of "Disambiguate between other tropes, such as the ones listed in this post and this post, and move examples elsewhere"

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#15: Mar 2nd 2022 at 8:42:23 AM

"Ambiguous Allegiance" may refer to the following:

If an internal link led you here, please correct the link to point to the right page.


...And delete whichever ones did not apply to any wicks during cleanup.

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#18: Mar 2nd 2022 at 11:05:14 AM

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Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Mar 2nd 2022 at 2:05:25 PM

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#19: Mar 2nd 2022 at 11:59:34 AM

Done.

Heh heh. A fitting page name for the Ambiguity Index.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#20: Mar 2nd 2022 at 12:02:10 PM

Hey, since I checked every example in the wick check, should we keep it around to help with the (already easy) cleanup, or just cut it?

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#21: Mar 2nd 2022 at 12:13:56 PM

If it's useful, keep it around.

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#22: Mar 2nd 2022 at 1:45:47 PM

Dewicking done. Sandbox was helpful.

Closing

Edited by Tabs on Mar 2nd 2022 at 1:47:23 AM

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Trope Repair Shop: Ambiguous Allegiance
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Ambiguous Allegiance is heavily misused and overlaps with other tropes. What should be done with it?

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