Needs Help: Hand Hiding Sleeves

Yet another appearance trope that suffers from people never explaining the damn thing despite multiple archetypes being listed. Wick check is here — this one is especially bad since the type with the most good examples still only has four.

Normally I'd just say to make it a supertrope/disambig and split the subtypes into actual subtropes, but considering the lack of context in so many of these it'd just be easier to make dedicated TLPs for each type instead, with any good-context examples of Loaded Sleeves being moved to Nothing Up My Sleeve.

The tropes I would suggest are (names can be tweaked later):

• Cute Oversized Sleeves, where a character having sleeves going past their hands is meant to accentuate how cute they are
• Odd Oversized Sleeves, where it's meant to denotate a character being odd or eccentric
• High Class Sleeves, where large sleeves are meant to add to a character being rich or royalty
• And Sneaky Sleeves, where a character's sleeves covering their hands is meant to indicate them being untrustworthy or mysterious

Opening.

I think the trope has a lot of issues and I am fine with turning it into a disambiguation. Not sure about splitting it into four specific subtropes though but I don’t know a simpler solution.

Edited by MacronNotes on Dec 31st 2021 at 9:26:44 AM

I think we should just cut this and Yard the non-Chairs types. The reason I say Yard and not split is due to a lack of preexisting examples.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 31st 2021 at 8:30:56 AM

That might work. Using TLP draft launches as a prerequisite for closing a TRS thread has historically not been a good idea.

The only reason to not cut is the number of inbounds but I think appearance trope like are salvageable so don’t think we will lose much if it’s cut.

Not minding TLP the specific types meanwhile.

e: alright.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 31st 2021 at 11:31:24 PM

I don’t think renaming it to that will fix the problem. We would just be shifting the trope to another name and trope is already "overly long sleeves" so we won’t be redefining anything. I don’t think overly long sleeves by themselves mean much of anything.

Right, having long sleeves in and of itself is just a meaningless trait.

Are oversized mage sleeves considered odd or high-class?

I think it would fall under “Mysterious”.

I’m good to cut and store usable examples for the yard.

Cut, if my original post didn't indicate that already.

I think I will make a cute sleeves draft at some point, since that's definitely a thing (even used it in an AU without realizing it, down to an explanation similar to the one in the description)

It would be great to create a Mysterious Oversized Sleeves trope for mage robes (including wizard and witch robes as both are mages).

Well you can make that one if you want.

Should we run a crowner for whether to cut this and Yard the tropes listed in the opening post? In addition, are there any other ideas for crowner options?

I could sponsor a draft for at least one of the suggested tropes. Since I finally got Aquatic Sauropods launched, I have less to occupy myself with in TRS.

"Move good context "Loaded Sleeves" examples to Nothing Up My Sleeve", or would that already be covered by the general cleanup?

Maybe we could redirect this there to keep inbounds, then go back and turn it into a disambiguation page when at least one of the other tropes is launched.

That sounds like a good idea.

I Yarded the tropes mentioned in the opening post, so now we just have to clean the wicks and cut the page.

Edit: I made Sandbox.Cute Oversized Sleeves and Sandbox.Sneaky Sleeves using examples from the wick check.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 11th 2022 at 10:00:12 AM

I neglected to mention that I also made Sandbox.Odd Oversized Sleeves and Sandbox.Sneaky Sleeves. They currently only have summaries of what the new tropes would be, since the wick check didn't find any examples of them.

If I find wicks to add to any of the sandboxes, I'll move them; I've been taking a break from wick cleanup.

I'm saving the Characters/ namespace for last, so aside from that and the wick check sandbox, I'm up to the VideoGame/ namespace after tackling some wicks.

To make this thread easier to get out of the way, I'm just going to copy on-page examples to the sandbox and cut wicks. Doing this is already getting the sandboxes above the three example minimum.

Edit: I copied all on-page examples that mention a character fitting a type, though some of the examples have context issues or other problems, but I figured that since it's the Salvage Yard, some of these could probably be salvaged by people who are more familiar with the works.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 20th 2022 at 7:44:42 AM

I got Character/ page wicks A through C. The only wicks on non-Character/ pages are on the wick check sandbox (which will be cut later on) and the Trope Report Dummy Edition sandbox (which isn't going anywhere).