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Zictor Since: Oct, 2016
#1: May 10th 2021 at 10:26:12 PM

This seems to be quite ubiquitous in the world of Light Novels, Manga, and Anime. In many cases it's just a justification for a character to get romantically involved with a woman who looks 13-14 years old. I know we have "Really 700 Years Old" and "Older Than Tey Look", but this seems to have its own characteristics.

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#2: May 10th 2021 at 10:36:51 PM

no, Really 700 Years Old basically covers this entirely; adding the "specifically a little girl" part makes it The Same, but More Specific. plus we've moved away from using loli as a descriptor in names (see the note on Token Mini-Moe).

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#3: May 10th 2021 at 11:14:31 PM

What characteristics are unique enough to justify 'Really 700 Years Old but for anime girls' that wouldn't be accomplished by just listing the character as Really 700 Years Old along with any other tropes associated with that character?

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#4: May 10th 2021 at 11:16:35 PM

I would imagine this would run into extremely thorny content violation discussions besides.

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#5: May 10th 2021 at 11:25:14 PM

that's my other main concern, yeah. the token mini-moe page is already a bit borderline on it with the page quote specifically mentioning lolis despite the rename and the note to avoid using the term. having a page specifically for this character archetype (which, again, entirely overlaps with really 700 years old) would make things even worse

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#6: May 10th 2021 at 11:49:42 PM

I don't think we'd want such a trope given the troubled history of Lolicon and Shotacon neƩ Lolicon and we used to have Legal Jailbait.

(That said, I am not particularly convinced that Really 700 Years Old is broad enough to apply in this case. That trope does specify very ancient, perhaps immortal beings, a 20-year old that looks like a 14-year old wouldn't count I think)

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NoUsername i'm at the combination she and it Since: May, 2012
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#8: May 11th 2021 at 12:09:17 AM

also keeping in mind the OP's inquiry is specifically "ancient", which would put it in the timeframe of RSHYO rather than OTTL

Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#9: May 15th 2021 at 12:46:51 PM

@OP: If it helps, the usual term for those characters is "lolibaba" ("baba" here meaning old hag).

Edited by Prime32 on May 15th 2021 at 8:47:19 PM

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#10: May 15th 2021 at 12:58:30 PM

I have an intense disdain for all tropes based on fetishization of visually underage characters. Like, seriously. If we cover this it should simply be a fanspeak article saying, "This exists, now shut the fuck up about it you sickos."

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#11: May 16th 2021 at 1:29:16 AM

I believe for the term "loli" we have Lolicon and Shotacon. We used to have Legal Jailbait for the more general concept.

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Zictor Since: Oct, 2016
#12: May 16th 2021 at 1:20:48 PM

Thank you No Username, that was a great explanation!

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