Not Thriving: Cukoloris

I'd actually be fine with adding it to Pages Needing Wicks and Tropes Needing Examples and calling it a day.

Tenebrika, thank you for at least considering this. Hopefully they'll be useful.

But really, I absolutely don't this should be kept if it's not going to meet standards when they're clear and numerical. In a Polish school, you need 40% to pass class, even if you're stupid or intellectually handicapped, unless you have severe handicap so you can't go to school in the first place. At a job, you have to work the required hours every required day or you're reprimanded and then fired, even if you're lazy, unless you have severe handicap so you can't go to work in the first place.

Point is, numerical standards are there to be enforced to ensure some minimum level from those who can meet them, and we should not let something stay if it can't meet them unless it literally can't (like if it were UsefulNotes/ or part of certain Example Sectionectomy indexes). And this is from 2007 people, letting it languish for potential won't be able to help it meet them unless we take strong action.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 12th 2021 at 8:09:36 PM

Some tropes just can't gain examples that fast. Some of them are rare, some are Dead Horse Tropes or Forgotten Tropes, others are common but hard to find- like this one. (Not to mention, the misspelled title...)

I think I brought this up before when we were redoing the Wick chart, but not every trope can be held to the exact same standards. Other factors need to be accounted for.

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 12th 2021 at 2:13:05 PM

I guess the fact that it has a typo should be addressed. I agree that something having a misspelling can deter people from linking to it, as there were plenty of pages that I was lazy about when they had wrong titles (like Waxworks (1992) when it had the title miscapitalised as Wax Works). As for Forgotten Trope, those have a section for tropes without pages, so there are sometimes alternatives to 100% deletion for those. Still, Wick gives four years, which should be a lot of time.

I'd support renaming to fix the typo for now and waiting a year. If it can't reach 24 wicks by April 2022, reconsider discussion and deletion.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 12th 2021 at 8:21:43 PM

Yeh, let us at least fix the spelling. "Cucoloris" seems to be the most popular variant.

I agree with fixing the spelling in addition to adding it to the indexes I previously mentioned, but as for a lack of examples, it's probably just because most tropers probably don't know the full details of various lighting and filming techniques, and thus don't add examples for them. I certainly lack that knowledge.

I'm down with that. Hopefully it gets more examples.

Also, no objections to rename to a correct spelling.

Can we add the alternate spellings listed on the Wikipedia article as redirects after we move this to the correct spelling? I think that would help people find the page.

Edit: Relevant portion (Edit: I turned them into links):

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 15th 2021 at 2:40:38 PM

If you wanna be that way, sure. I mean, after moving the page it'd have to be removed from Time Immemorial Index due to being technically renamed, and the wicks on Pages Needing Wicks and Tropes Needing Examples are temporary so they don't count, but four redirects would be added, resulting in a net gain.

Edited by Piterpicher on Apr 15th 2021 at 10:17:25 AM

I prefer the spelling of Cucoloris.

So do I. I was just suggesting we add the alternate spellings Wikipedia lists as redirects instead of using them as the main name, especially because Wikipedia doesn't even list the "cukoloris" spelling we currently use.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 15th 2021 at 9:59:12 AM

+1 to rename to Cucoloris and make the others into redirects.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Apr 16th 2021 at 8:36:06 PM

I'm in favour of the Definition-Only idea, explaining this industry term. We have a separate trope for the most common form; All in the Eyes.

If anyone wants to vote in the crowner here, feel free to do so. I know that renaming to correct the spelling and adding redirects for alternate spelling won't be controversial and taken either way.

I wrongly assumed that this trope was about "cuckoldry".

I'm on the "Sending it back to TLP" part. Particularly on renaming this to "Cucoloris"

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Apr 26th 2021 at 9:59:40 PM

We have consensus. Hollering.

The crowner also mentions having the alternate spellings I mentioned in this post (taken from the cucoloris Wikipedia article) as redirects, with Cucoloris being the main name.

Edit: I noted the changes on the discussion page.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2021 at 8:06:30 AM

I'll note those too.

I added Cucoloris to Tropes Needing Examples.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2021 at 8:24:53 AM

Sorry for the double post, but Eberts Glossary Of Movie Terms mentions Kookalouris as the spelling used in that glossary, so maybe it could be another redirect. While that spelling wasn't listed on Wikipedia, Ebert's well-known status means that spelling probably isn't unknown among people other than him.

Edit: Wicks have been cleaned and the redirects have been made, so we're done.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2021 at 8:35:34 AM

Also added to Pages Needing Wicks with a comment.

Time to close.