Getting Rid Of The Character Indexes

I'd like to motion that we do away with the character indexes. They are unnecessary and are not worth the trouble to make them. What's more, every time a new page is created, crazy fanatics alter the index to fit it in. My following page is constantly bombarded with multiple edits of character pages. It's making me want to unfollow the One Piece pages.

So I suggest we just get rid of them all together. What was the point of them anyway? Who suggested it? Does anyone agree with me?

Edited by Eddy1215 on Feb 5th 2020 at 12:04:08 PM

Ummm...well, for one thing, they help keep the pages from getting too long, and keep everything nice and organized.

We have a Character Page Cleanup for poorly made ones, but suggesting we do away with them is...weird.

Like I said though, every time a new character page is created, some crazy loon adds it to ALL the indexes on every character page. There's a nutty fanatic making multiple edits to the One Piece character pages right now. It's driving me nuts! It's either those indexes go, or I'll be forced to unfollow the OP character pages, and I'd prefer not to do the latter.

Edited by Eddy1215 on Feb 5th 2020 at 12:18:46 PM

...Pages need to be indexed, mate. What indexes are you referring to? Index bloat is a real problem, so I think I see what you're getting at.

The indexes on the individual character pages. Someone decided to create shortcuts to other character pages by placing them on each page. Unfortunately, every time a new page is created, someone modifies every character page.

Look on this page to see what I'm talking about.

Oh, That. That's intended to help with navigation. I also think it's a little annoying, but...

Can't we come up with an alternate navigation shortcut? My following page is constantly filled every time someone pads it out.

Edited by Eddy1215 on Feb 5th 2020 at 12:46:54 PM

Characters.Yu Gi Oh has a list format, which is easier on the eyes.

One Piece has a list format too. But there were so many characters listed that some nutjob decided to put in a shortcut index. And unfortunately, people won't stop messing with it and it's driving me nuts!

It'd be nice if we had mediawiki-style templates. But we don't. As is, this is useful to the readers and a minor annoyance to the editors. Deal with it

The character page Eddy is referring to is the One Piece one. The point is, for those who don't know, One Piece is a huge manga, currently sitting at 970 chapters, with about 1000 named characters and this wiki probably has tropes for about half or less of them. With these many characters, it's natural that there are many subpages (and sub-subpages) and they are necessary for an easy navigation.

Recently there have been a lot of changes, partially because the characters were partially divided in "Main protagonist group", "Allies", "Villains", "Others" and "Flashbacks" basically, but there were also pages for characters according to their factions/crews (the manga is about pirates). A few months ago it was agreeded to split the characters into their factions or geographic location, since the series has a very detailed worldbuilding, instead of their role in the story, so pages were split, removed and created. Another part of the changes came with the translations, with some factions changing names from the "fan-translation" to the "official" english one. Hence the many changes but for now, there should be no more major changes

Still, the indexes are important because they help the navigation, and one can go from the characters in a certain place, to check the members of the World Government, instead of going back and forth to the main menu.

Also, Eddy, I would like to use nicer terms when referring to tropers who are taking their time into editing the pages and contributing to improve them

Edited by fishysaur on Feb 6th 2020 at 11:42:42 AM

They're also driving me nuts. I have no intention of dealing with this. You say a different template would make it unnecessary? How would we get it.

Chill out, man. We get it bothers you personally, but there's nothing wrong with it either.

I say otherwise. So people would have to go back and forth to the main menu? Big deal! There's nothing wrong with that either!

Edited by Eddy1215 on Feb 6th 2020 at 3:36:48 PM

Oh, that. It's not official, but we don't have a policy against it, either. I don't see the harm myself. The fact that it annoys you is not a reason to change it.

It's not the fact that it's there that drives me nuts. It's the fact that people are constantly messing with it and spamming my following page that drives me nuts. One page changes and every other pages needs to be modified? Do have any idea how stupid that sounds?

Also, maybe I'm not the only whose been driven crazy over it. Let's hold a poll and see how many people here deem this unnecessary and/or crazy.

Edited by Eddy1215 on Feb 6th 2020 at 3:50:10 PM

Well, that seems like an issue specifically because you're following these pages so closely- but for navigation purposes, people do think it's necessarily to allow people to jump from page to page.

For example, in crosswicking for a trope, we often have to crosswick to character pages, and that can be confusing enough as-is if we don't know the work. Being able to easily jump from page to page to find the characters we want is easier than having to look at a page, go back, look at another page, go back, etc.

Well, of course, I'm following them. I'm a fan of One Piece. But if people won't stop this endless spamming, I'll be tempted to unfollow them, and I'd prefer not to do that.

Again, your annoyance is irrelevant here.

It's a little unclear to me what the complaint is about, but if it's about that giant block of links underneath the header then yeah, I think that's distracting. Put these navboxes at the bottom of the page, please.

How is that any less distracting, though?

Having lots of edits flooding your "following" page is annoying, but I think it's worth the tradeoff of being able to quickly navigate between character subpages. The navigation menu shouldn't be edited very often, so it's a rather minor issue.

Considering I don't really use the shortcut list, I don't see it as worth it.

And it's not really a MINOR issue because it's edited constantly! There are those who are such fanatics that they can't leave well enough alone and have to constantly add to the pages. And every time a character article gets too big, someone decides to split it off into a new page, resulting in every other page being edited to match. And recently, someone people decided to complete change up two of the character for no reason, and altered ALL the pages accordingly. I've been driven insane for the past two days! I've had enough! It's time for those shortcuts to go!

Edited by Eddy1215 on Feb 6th 2020 at 4:53:29 AM

Again, just because you personally think it's annoying and you personally don't make use of it doesn't mean you personally can decide these things can change despite that others are saying they find it useful and not annoying.

Even Septimus, who finds them annoying, only said to move them to the bottom, not to remove them entirely.

Like I said though, let's make a poll to see if anyone else agrees with my view. If enough people agree with me, then we get rid of the system. Fair deal?