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So I've been thinking about notifiers a bit. They're incredibly important for helping editors understand what they may be doing wrong, even if a lot of editors tend to ignore them. And yet, there's a few issues with the notifier system, such as broken links, or the fact that we've apparently reached our limit for how many notifiers we can have. Nombretomado mentioned wanting to work on them to make them more efficient and stuff, so I figured, why not talk about them on their own thread, and figure out what we can fix?

Edit: Current notifiers are listed at Notifiers.

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 2nd 2022 at 12:37:54 PM

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#501: Apr 23rd 2024 at 1:23:44 PM

Never mind then.

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#502: Apr 24th 2024 at 12:08:10 AM

I think the zero context notifier could be expanded to make clear it also includes cases of "As shown in X above/below".

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#503: Apr 24th 2024 at 12:11:32 AM

It's explained in-depth on the actual administrivia page, though

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#504: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:49:23 AM

ETA: never mind, these don't work with the notifier system.

Suggesting a notifier for people who edit drafts on the TLP without noting this in comments and/or make large edits such as adding examples (as it's come up several times I've seen).


You've made an edit to a draft in the Trope Launch Pad without asking. This is considered poor TLP etiquette. Many TLP denizens are protective of their work and do not like it when other people mess with their drafts. Making major changes to a draft that doesn't belong to you — such as adding examples — is considered incredibly rude at the very best and may even be considered vandalism. It's generally okay to correct small errors, like typos or formatting errors, on another person's draft, but you should post a reply clearly stating what you were doing as common courtesy. Please see more on Minding Your Manners here at TLP Guidelines. Thanks.

Edited by Nethilia on Apr 27th 2024 at 12:57:08 PM

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#505: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:50:27 AM

e: nvm

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 27th 2024 at 10:52:30 PM

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#506: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:51:17 AM

You actually can on the history screen, but it's bugged. I've tried it before.

Besides, no reason to send notifiers when you can just ping people to the draft.

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 27th 2024 at 3:51:53 PM

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Nethilia Girl Gang Disaster (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
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#507: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:52:05 AM

[up][up] I just sent one for an edit to a draft I'm working on (since someone went and stealth edited) and it offered all the drop down notifiers. But I understand.

Edited by Nethilia on Apr 27th 2024 at 12:52:27 PM

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#508: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:52:56 AM

Did it actually go through? And did it link to the draft correctly? I did send one before, but like I said, it didn't work as intended.

Either way, how does it beat pinging them directly?

Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 27th 2024 at 3:53:18 PM

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Nethilia Girl Gang Disaster (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
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#509: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:55:00 AM

It did send, but I looked and the glitch is that while it sends the PM, the PM doesn't properly link to the actual draft. I didn't realize this as last time I reported a stealth edit on ATT I was told to send a notification to the offender first before posting there. I understand it's not useful to add to the drop down notifiers and pinged them in draft before I sent the PM. This all makes sense.

Edited by Nethilia on Apr 27th 2024 at 12:55:53 PM

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#510: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:56:31 AM

Yeah, exactly, they technically work but are kinda useless if that glitch is around since it just makes things confusing.

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
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#511: Apr 27th 2024 at 12:58:46 AM

Maybe the glitch needs to be addressed in Query Bugs then?

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#512: Apr 27th 2024 at 1:00:05 AM

Maybe? The issue is that unlike normal pages, TLP edits aren't individual items that can be linked to.

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#514: May 8th 2024 at 9:03:12 AM

We don't appear to have a "this trope is No Real Life Examples, Please!" notifier, no?

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#515: May 8th 2024 at 9:33:36 AM

No but I do think it was mentioned before.

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#516: May 8th 2024 at 5:20:33 PM

Should there be a notifier for unexplained removals (besides deleting YMMV)?

[down] Thanks.

Edited by Lymantria on May 8th 2024 at 8:48:56 AM

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#517: May 8th 2024 at 5:20:51 PM

That's covered by "Edit Reason".

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