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So I've been thinking about notifiers a bit. They're incredibly important for helping editors understand what they may be doing wrong, even if a lot of editors tend to ignore them. And yet, there's a few issues with the notifier system, such as broken links, or the fact that we've apparently reached our limit for how many notifiers we can have. Nombretomado mentioned wanting to work on them to make them more efficient and stuff, so I figured, why not talk about them on their own thread, and figure out what we can fix?

Edit: Current notifiers are listed at Notifiers.

Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 2nd 2022 at 12:37:54 PM

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#476: Dec 22nd 2023 at 4:06:23 PM

That, I'm not sure about, but it seems too niche to need a full notifier.

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Riolugirl Rookie Trope Repairer from whence you came, you shall remain... (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
#477: Jan 5th 2024 at 2:19:32 PM

Decided to refine my Illegal Meta notifier by listing some examples of meta moments:

  • The edit you made on [[page]] was a meta example on a Moments page. Such examples are not allowed. Moments of any kind are reactions to events taking place within the work itself — events external to the work don't count. These include, but are not limited to: social media posts by creators, viewer comments that aren't linked to an in-universe event and coincidences, positive or negative, involving creators.

"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#478: Jan 5th 2024 at 4:17:23 PM

  • pre-commented: The [page] edit you've made includes pre-hidden information. Comments are used for editing warnings or for hiding exisiting Zero Context Examples, per How to Write an Example it is forbidden to add examples already commented-out. We don't keep placeholders, examples are either ready or will have to wait.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
#479: Jan 6th 2024 at 1:32:51 PM

[tup] to both [up] and [up][up]

For every low there is a high.
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#480: Jan 6th 2024 at 1:40:13 PM

Both [up][up] and [up][up][up] look good to me.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#481: Jan 6th 2024 at 1:40:49 PM

So, we have a couple notifiers waiting to be officially added now, I guess.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#483: Jan 7th 2024 at 10:17:06 AM

[tup] to meta and pre-comment notifiers.

They are now in the drop-down list as meta moment and pre-hidden.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#484: Jan 7th 2024 at 11:02:27 AM

What about the "What Goes Where" notifier on the last page?

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Coachpill Can shapeshift (probably) from Washington State, grew up on Long Island Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Can shapeshift (probably)
#485: Jan 30th 2024 at 9:12:14 AM

I've been seeing more and more tropers insert potholes at the top of a page, even outside of Trope Namer examples. I was wondering—would the Sinkhole notifier cover this, or should there be a new notifier about What to Put at the Top of a Page?

Silver and gold, silver and gold
Unicorndance Logic Girl from Thames, N.Z. Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Logic Girl
#486: Jan 30th 2024 at 2:04:37 PM

So potholes aren't allowed on top of pages?

For every low there is a high.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#487: Jan 30th 2024 at 2:05:48 PM

Not in quotes, anyway. IDK what else they may be referring to.

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Coachpill Can shapeshift (probably) from Washington State, grew up on Long Island Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Can shapeshift (probably)
#488: Jan 30th 2024 at 4:07:57 PM

[up][up] + [up] Oh no, I just meant quotes. I've brought up the rule before in edit reasons so IDK how I missed that

Edited by Coachpill on Jan 30th 2024 at 7:08:36 AM

Silver and gold, silver and gold
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#489: Feb 7th 2024 at 12:23:12 PM

On the work title notifier I noticed that the portion where italics are discussed uses quotation marks instead of actual single apostrophes so I think that might be confusing people going by a response to a notifier I sent I just got .

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#490: Feb 10th 2024 at 4:26:26 PM

Again have to remind myself there isn't a broader notifier for putting non-YMMV tropes on YMMV/.

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#491: Feb 10th 2024 at 4:28:37 PM

Because the draft never got properly approved after the page switch and nobody acknowledged it when I asked.

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#493: Mar 6th 2024 at 10:37:12 AM

Works for me.

What notifier do we use for people adding "fake news" to the wiki? (I.E. Misinformation)

Rawr.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#494: Mar 12th 2024 at 10:33:21 AM

I'm more inclined to handle that with a custom PM.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from tall grass (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#495: Mar 14th 2024 at 8:58:06 AM

I used a "speculation" notifier the last time I encountered "Fake News", just for the record.

Rawr.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#496: Apr 5th 2024 at 11:02:10 AM

Another day, another situation where the general "misplaced" notifier would come in handy. Can I please get some clarification as to if this is ever going to be added? :/

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition from The Void (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
BigBadShadow25 Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan
#499: Apr 23rd 2024 at 12:06:02 PM

Has there been any discussion about adding a notifier about citing the trailer in an upcoming work page? Or maybe make the ZCE or speculation notifiers include a bit about that?

The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#500: Apr 23rd 2024 at 1:23:06 PM

There's an "unreleased works" notifier.

Your edit on [page] looks like it violates our Unreleased Works policy. Things like interviews, press releases, posters and websites are considered advertising and can only be used as a source for Advertising Tropes. Non-advertising examples must always be based on things that claim to represent the work itself - e.g. trailers and excerpts. We cannot use Content Leaks as a source for examples.


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