Needs Help: Deuteragonist

I had one downvoted with Ciri from Witcher.

Another suggestion, maybe Nick Wilde from Zootopia

https://imgur.com/a/XWAyN

Maybe a caption. "It's her case, but the story can't move without him"

It will be cool if we find one that shows the duality of the two main characters; the first most important and then the second. It might also make it clearer if the picture example is of a character that has a few of their own scenes or their separate (but less) levels in a video game.

The Zootopia pic might work, but I've a feeling this may be a BUPKIS case.

I think an agreed picture might help, dueutergonist is an easy one to get wrong, more than hero or antagonist, because of love interests and side kicks, who aren't always the deuteragonist but rather characters who are much closest in plot importance.

Either get a lampshade pic or BUPKIS. This isn't something that's easily illustrated.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

BUPKIS.

Yeah, going to go for BUPKIS. The Zootopia suggestion is okay, but it may be too weak on its own.

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BUPKIS

Red and◊ Andy◊? They don't look like antagonists, love interests, or one clearly being a sidekick to the other.

I quite like the second myself, since the blurry background characters kinda emphasizes that the narrative is primarily about these two characters.

edited 11th Mar '18 4:29:35 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Inclined BUPKIS'ing this. The Shawshank Redemption suggestions are too context-dependent: it's not clear who exactly is the Protagonist and who is the Deuteragonist of the two.

Spiral out, keep going.

All suggestions are JAFAAC so far. Gonna need a lampshade or similar on this one, so BUPKIS.

EDIT: A good poster might also work, with the protagonist front and center and the deuteragonist somewhere similarly emphasized, but not coming up with any ideas on that front atm.

edited 11th Mar '18 10:09:39 AM by Synchronicity

https://imgur.com/a/2I524

Ok 10#, I tried looking for posters and found the cropped Logan poster

A potential caption could be "From bottom to right, Deuteragonist, Tritagonist and Protagonist" and then you might have a useful example highlighting all 3 types.

The character designs of the Zootopia characters make the image not JAFAAC. There's blue-orange contrast (desaturated blue gives you gray), height contrast, motion contrast, clothing contrast, contrast with the directions of their glances, etc. They clearly have a relationship of some sort, given their designs.

And the context of the page itself is enough to inform readers that one of them is the deuteragonist. Given the fact that the hare is in motion while the other guy is stagnant, I think it's fairly clear that the fox is the deuteragonist.

Suffice it to say that I'm 'ing BUPKIS. The requirement for a lampshade seems arbitrary here.

I don't think the Shawshank Redemption images illustrate the concept well, as the only points of contrast between the characters are their ethnicities and ages. The Logan image has potential but the fact that Charles is in the shot muddies the waters and makes it a bit more difficult for that image to illustrate the deuteragonist.

edited 11th Mar '18 3:42:08 PM by WaterBlap

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty

Disagreeing here. I would assume users not familiar with Zootopia would have trouble identifying protagonist and deuteragonist in OP.

I agree with that.

I'm not particularly familiar with the work either but I was able to get that the more active character is probably the protagonist. So I personally don't agree that not being familiar with the work will make it impossible for readers to figure it out.

Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty

I’ve seen the film, and the only definitive thing I’m getting is Foil or other contrast tropes. It’s why I suggested a poster, so it could at least be obvious that they’re main characters.

I found this Doctor Who poster◊: the Doctor as the protagonist (foreground, looking into the camera) with Clara as the deuteragonist (behind him, looking elsewhere). Thoughts?

Interestingly, there's a poster version◊ of OP.

Isn't Dr. Who working with sidekicks?

Clara is certainly the deutergonist for 3 series, there's even a episode where she's gets billed first but I guess the picture should have them more up close if there was one good enough,

The zootopia poster is nice.

edited 24th Mar '18 10:17:41 AM by tvtropeseditor

This official poster◊ from Maho Girls Pretty Cure! should be good. Their many alternate forms and relatively equal fillings of the space really sells how equally involved they are in the plot.

Addendum: Same image here◊ at wiki size.

edited 28th Mar '18 2:16:25 PM by aNinjaWithAIDS

These two may literally be more bark than bite, but they are no less tenacious than everyone else.

It's... a confusing image. At first I thought I was looking at many different characters.

edited 28th Mar '18 2:56:10 PM by Gosicrystal

I'm not so sure. The explicit symmetry should be enough to tell that the characters are the same people in different forms.

edited 28th Mar '18 3:04:04 PM by aNinjaWithAIDS

These two may literally be more bark than bite, but they are no less tenacious than everyone else.

It's not. At all.

I still think this page is a BUPKIS case. Any image with multiple characters will inherently focus on somebody who's almost certainly not the deuteragonist.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

I know I'm late to this part of the conversation, but your suggestion for a lampshade pic also fails because that might as well be a quote and not a picture, especially if its JAFAAC without said dialogue.

Before we go BUPKIS though, I just want to make sure I understand the guidelines for what suggestions should show. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

• Two completely different characters who clearly have the highest and equal narrative importance between them.

• Yet that narrative (or at least the nature of said narrative) is also distinctly apparent.

The way I see it is if a suggestion is difficult for someone unfamiliar with the work to tell between two people who is which: Protagonist or Deuteragonist, it's a good picture. Agree?

These two may literally be more bark than bite, but they are no less tenacious than everyone else.