Boruto (New Naruto Era - sequel anime and manga)

Sasuke is completely unfit to be a father & this is not me ragging on him, its an observation.

The man has way to much baggage & issues to be a responsible parental figure to a child.

I don't think he's grown or matured as a person over the decade really.

Indeed, the complete radio silence is pretty terrible.

edited 7th Sep '17 5:09:20 PM by slimcoder

Baggage would be the understatement. This man has more issues than Shonen Jump. Sakura doesn't help by being such a doormat to him, and not daring to muster up the fact that this relationship with Sasuke is built on shallow ground with one another.

If Sakura weren't in denial about Sasuke, she'd probably be married to Naruto.

Eh, it's already established that she has no feelings for Naruto, and that she was lying to herself when she tried to claim she did. Sakura really just needed a period of time to not focus on love period and just find some emotional independence.

Damn that's the sad thing about Sakura. When you think about it, she's doing pretty well for herself, being a decently powerful ninja, a successful doctor & has managed to raise Sarada into a fine young woman.

The problem is that Sasuke brings out the worst in her. Whenever their "relationship" is brought up she becomes an absolute joke & you focus entirely on her joke of a romantic prospect. So sad, so sad.

Like I will stop treating her like a clown & actually respect her only if she finally dumps Sasuke but we all know that's never gonna happen.

@ slimcoder

This relationship is just a one sided effort on Sakura's part. While Sasuke says Sarada ties them together, that actually makes this relationship even more toxic. If Sarada wasn't there, then Sasuke and Sakura would have no true bond. Nothing really binds them together, it defies so much logic that even Kishimoto himself can't think of how they are married.

Good thing Sarada actually knows how to treat people around her with respect and seems to have a legit healthy relationship with Boruto that's starting to bloom in the manga (hell, the conversation they have before Boruto goes to fight that really fat cannibal Shinobi is one of the most mature conversations in the whole series, both Boruto and Naruto).

@Demongodofchaos28th

It's a sad thing that out of her family, she's the only who has her head on right.

It's like every time I come in this thread, we have to rag on Sasuke and Sakura for being terrible people lol.

Anyway, guess they're taking some time to adapt the movie.

He didn't say Sarada ties them together, he said Sarada was the proof they are connected. Bit of a difference

I now but its just so fun to rag on them honestly. I get a sick kick out of it, hahaha.

Not much of a connection though. So they had a kid, big whoop. The same result can be gained by a bottle of bourbon or tequila or really just any form of alcohol or drugs.

edited 8th Sep '17 2:39:23 PM by slimcoder

At this point, I wonder if Sakura's character in Boruto is an intentional deconstruction of her infatuation towards Sasuke or if it is just her evolution through the series that is so messed up it manages to bring her down without even meaning to.

The thing is, Sasuke is a mess of an human being when it comes to social interactions and Sakura has no backbone when we are talking about him. And that's without even talking into account Sasuke's crimes through the series, including trying to murder her, the fact he was forgiven for all of that and, after all of this, he doesn't even think keeping a bare minimum of contact with his family would be a good idea. Yet, he has no problems sending letters to Naruto and the first time he saw his daughter in years he almost killed her.

These characters are such an easy target this mockery is just expected and Boruto only gave the fandom more fuel for that. For some people, it's kind of a love to hate thing.

edited 8th Sep '17 4:20:42 PM by ShadowAbyss

@ slimcoder

Right you are about that. Back in 2014 when everyone was expecting Kishimoto to sink Sasusaku hard, he in the end just made it canon for no real reason other than he believed that Sakura would be bad if she moved on from her feelings for Sasuke. People like us are still bitter, because even when the manga points out how bad this marriage is they still will stay together for no logical reason.

Also saying Sarada is proof of their connection is more of a Show, Don't Tell problem, because if she really is a connection then Sasuke would try to be in her life instead of doing his wandering nomad thing.

If someone expected Sasusaku to be sunk, they really didn't understand Kishimoto's writing or Sakura and Sasuke as characters. I always thought that the only two options were Sasusaku or Sasuke dying.

That said, I am surprised at the amount of Reality Ensues that occurred with their relationship. I think Kishimoto just wanted some drama and didn't think through all of the implications (hardly the first time that happened), and the anime which has always been anti-Sasusaku ended up keeping the bad parts and pushing things even further with stuff like the two-minute date.

The funny thing is even with all the negative stuff thrown against this relationship. The Sasusaku fandom will still think every interaction that is shown both in the anime and manga is something positive or that it's a healthy relationship with realistic aspects. I can not understand their Insane Troll Logic when it comes to this ship, and how they misconstrue it as something stable.

edited 8th Sep '17 4:21:21 PM by firewriter

No, he said Sakura would be bad if she moved on from Sasuke to Naruto after he became the famous hero of the village (because it reflects bad on her as a glory chaser) of course with Sasuke she's a Love Martyr but that is a separate issue from what he was addressing.

In that case, that still wouldn't make her a bad person, because Sasuke went off the deep end while Naruto is a much more stable person.

edited 8th Sep '17 4:22:49 PM by firewriter

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Honestly, I thought that Sasusaku was really well-written in Part I. A lot of people became very attached to the relationship at that stage, and then when all of the terrible aspects started happening in Part II they were already too invested to change their minds and be objective. You're less willing to admit that a fictional relationship is toxic when you've been rooting for that relationship and writing and reading fanworks where it isn't toxic for years.

Man is that sad to think about.

You spend so much time getting invested into something & then when it finally comes through its hard as Hell sometimes to admit it was all a waste.

Sunk Cost Fallacy at its finest.

Fine, she can't fall for Naruto because that would be shallow, as she herself admits in that fake confession. Why can't she fall for Lee, then?

Because she has shit taste.

I think even in Part One it was pretty one sided on Sakura's part . At times, Sasuke seemed to only tolerate her as a companion and just a teammate with some potential he could respect her as an equal. When they were still 12/13 it was mostly Sakura pining over Sasuke, while he on the other hand really had no deeper connection with her.

I actually wanted Sakura to let go her first crush on Sasuke, and become a maturer person as a result. I still think her latching onto Sasuke really has shown in many ways she refuses to give up many of her previous immature qualities that have set her back.

edited 8th Sep '17 5:52:16 PM by firewriter

Nah, there were definitely moments that broadcast "these two are going to end up together." Like when she breaks him out of his cursed seal induced rage during the Chuunin exams or when he put aside his pride to beg Naruto to save her from Gaara. Of course, those moments are overshadowed by how he seems to have completely forgotten her existence in Part II, but when Part I was going on it was enough to get a ton of people rooting for them.

I remember back in middle school how Sasusaku was the anime ship people latched onto. I mean you can go onto youtube and see all those Sasukex Sakura videos with a Cascada song to them. They really have all the hallmarks of what made shippers go gaga in the 2000's. Although where I stand as a shipper, I kind of loved going with the Sakura crack pairings. My favorite crackship was Gaara and Sakura or Gaasaku. Sakura was such a Launcher of a Thousand Ships, and she ends up in the end with someone she shouldn't really be with.

edited 8th Sep '17 6:23:57 PM by firewriter