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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#3651: Jun 27th 2017 at 9:00:47 AM

Makoto is weird. Like, she gets quite a bit of focus but then never really does anything that warrants said focus beyond being Ms. Exposition. Even her relationship with Sae isn't nearly as important as it could have been.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#3652: Jun 27th 2017 at 9:12:39 AM

If anything I felt it's because none of them interacted before now. In a city like Tokyo it's big enough that the characters don't have lives that revolve around each other.

They don't live together like SEES required of its members and that lead to some getting close, nor do most of them go to the same several classes like P4s and P3 group does, only Ryuji, Ann, and Potter. Thus the ordinary part of their lives doesn't involve each other much.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#3653: Jun 27th 2017 at 9:25:27 AM

Yea, it makes their dynamic feel different from P3 and P4's teams. They aren't required to live together like in the former, nor do they all mostly attend the same school like in the latter. Its probably because they came together for a specific purpose to fulfill (like SEES) but they all their own lives outside of it. They're all clearly friends, but they feel more like actual people with lives of their own outside of the Phantom Thieves.

By contrast, the last two games` groups, particularly 4, kind of feel more "Anime". It makes sense in 3 since most of the members lost their parents or guardians, so all they only have are each other for emotional support. But in 4, you don't really get much of a view in the Investigation Team's personal life outside of their Social Links.and when they first join the party, beyond that they're just additional party members.

[up][up] Her relationship with Sae is kind of a focal point in the 6th palace, but yea, it's pretty understated outside of that. I guess most of the favoritism toward Makoto stems from the fact Joker was originally supposed to live in her building, which naturally would have led to them having more interactions with each other. The intense focus was just a holdover I guess.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#3654: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:12:28 AM

Ok the crew for this game are two social outcasts (one considered a violent hooligan the other a whore due to being stereotyped by her apperance), a devoted artist that goes to another school, a shut-in a year younger, two older years (one of different social standing & the other student council president) & a detective who also doesn't go to their school.

Yeah these are people who would never hang out together if external forces didn't drive them all together.

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MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#3655: Jun 27th 2017 at 10:20:45 AM

[up] Make that 3 social outcasts (lest we forget that Shido ensured that Joker is likewise considered a hooligan. Even without that, he doesn't even live in Tokyo [outside the probation AFAIK])

edited 27th Jun '17 10:21:33 AM by MorningStar1337

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#3656: Jun 27th 2017 at 3:38:24 PM

So, should I do Shido's palace ASAP, or hold off or is it like the other palaces in that as long as you have days left most of your other events (Confidants mostly) are fine?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#3657: Jun 27th 2017 at 3:57:11 PM

Mishima's Confidant is locked until you do Shido's palace, but otherwise it works exactly like the others.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#3658: Jun 27th 2017 at 4:33:58 PM

Another comic based video (I feel like this one has been here before, but here it is anyway):

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#3659: Jun 27th 2017 at 5:58:07 PM

edited 27th Jun '17 5:59:59 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#3661: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:05:27 PM

Fixed it. With a sequel:

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#3662: Jun 27th 2017 at 7:05:11 PM

I'm surprised the full version of Wake Up, Get up, and Get Out There never plays.

Anyway, the game was damn good despite me taking so long to beat it. It had a lot of down points, but they don't take much away from the overall experience I had or the sense of accomplishment I got from beating it. This is def one my contenders for GOTY.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#3663: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:41:58 AM

Extra Credits recently uploaded a video talking about how Persona 5 uses Jungian themes:

Personally, I would've preferred if they talked about how Jungian themes are used throughout the entire Shin Megami Tensei: Persona series, but I'm getting the impression they probably didn't have the chance to play all the games.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#3664: Jun 28th 2017 at 12:21:54 PM

[up] In fairness the themes does seem to be more apparent in this game compared to past titles.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#3665: Jun 28th 2017 at 12:30:11 PM

Nah, 3 they outright state it.

However with his review he stated P5 was literally the only Persona game he has ever played.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3666: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:06:42 PM

I believe that's true of Dan (the narrator), but James (co-creator of the series) has definitely played Persona before. IIRC there's a video where they're talking about diversity in video game characters and they talk pretty extensively about Kanji.

They talked about P5 in their video from a week or two ago, too. tldr, Persona 5 treats sexuality and sexual harassment with the gravity and seriousness it deserves in the first Palace, then almost immediately shits the bed by treating "Ann has to get naked for Yusuke" as a joke, and continues to be problematic by letting the protagonist fuck every female social link in the game, even ones that are adults, including his homeroom teacher, without ever really addressing the problems with those relationships.

edited 28th Jun '17 1:10:56 PM by NativeJovian

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#3667: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:56:52 PM

Yea, I noticed that too and it's incredibly jarring, especially since those two events are literally next to each other in the narrative.

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Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3668: Jun 28th 2017 at 2:40:01 PM

While I do think that's a fair criticism, the one thing that bugs me when that's brought up is that doesn't happen and leaves out certain context things. The first being Ryuji says he doesn't think she should actually do it, just that it's a pretext for the plan and so on. They never had any real expectations for her to strip, teasing her aside. Even when Yusuke joins the party, option given for Joker to make clear that all joking aside, no nude modeling.

More if you aren't comfortable with the joke, that's cool, I get where you're coming from there. But even in-universe they didn't actually have any expectations for her to really do it and, as shown from their immediate reactions when it came up, weren't actually cool with it.

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Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#3669: Jun 28th 2017 at 2:43:00 PM

At least every choice you can get related to Yusuke's harassment has the option of "I'm really against this".

Ann and Ryuji don't even go to the same classes: they're in different homerooms. I guess that's why they didn't have your confidants ask for help when they get pestered for answers during class, like they did in P4.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#3670: Jun 28th 2017 at 2:45:52 PM

The point is that it treats the whole thing with far more levity, when the first arc treated issues with sexuality much more maturely.

It's a very sharp shift no matter how you twist it.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#3671: Jun 28th 2017 at 2:46:19 PM

I should like to state that Ann wearing literally every piece of clothing she owns is one of the funniest moments of the game.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#3672: Jun 28th 2017 at 2:58:31 PM

Having a sex abuse survivor be the game's Ms. Fanservice is, IMO, the biggest thing the game does wrong.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#3673: Jun 28th 2017 at 3:02:53 PM

That I agree with.

That should have gone to someone else really.

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Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#3674: Jun 28th 2017 at 3:07:19 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that when Ann brushes off the apologies of other students for thinking she was "like that", she goes on to mention (only to Ryuji and Joker) that she led Kamoshida on because she wanted to help Shiho.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#3675: Jun 28th 2017 at 3:07:46 PM

I believe the point is how Ann embraces the whole thing. She clearly likes flaunting her body, so I don't think she has a problem with being peered at.

It's just she takes offense when people just start taking advantage of her because if her body. She even teased Ryuji about it at one point.

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