Ocean's 8 (Female-led Ocean's 11 sequel)

Maybe someone has to impersonate her to get into the gala.

Hey, the trailer's out!

I think it looks like it's going to be really cool.

edited 19th Dec '17 12:18:10 PM by unexplainedEnemy

they're gonna find intelligent life up there on the moon/and the canterbury tales will shoot up to the top of the best-seller list

Jesus Christ the comment section to that trailer is especially toxic. Luckily the dislike bar isn't as bad as the ghostbusters one simply because the trailer is actually good. Still the dislike bar is much bigger than it should be.

edited 19th Dec '17 1:42:50 PM by jjjj2

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I don't know why, but for some really bizarre reason, I've always thought of Sandra Bullock and George Clooney as counterparts of one other. Even before Gravity.

edited 19th Dec '17 12:37:51 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Glad to see James Corden is working. To explain the joke, he was trending on twitter and evidently it's because a lot of people don't like the guy and were angry to see him in the movie. Not sure where that's coming from.

But looks awesome. One thing I particularly liked is the individualized (and quirky) characters, all with different skills. It's been a while since I saw the Clooney version, so I can't fully compare, but I got a less stylized impression of characters here and a more "realistic" sense of abilities. Basically, it promises a really well done caper movie. Maybe it's partly because this version drops the casino gambling aspect of the original(s). But it's also that in both other Oceans movies/series, the characters were pretty much the actors playing themselves. Whereas despite this similarly having an All-Star Cast, the actors are playing characters. Does that make sense/sound fair?

edited 19th Dec '17 1:15:45 PM by Hodor2

This doesn't irritate me the way Ghostbusters did. Genderswapped remakes of old films can actually work, who knew?

That said, the only people in this cast I know of are Sandra Bullock, Anne Hathaway, and Cate Blanchett I think from that one-note The Warriors Way film years ago.

edited 19th Dec '17 1:33:13 PM by Soble

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I know what you mean. They’re characters as opposed to exaggerated personalities.

I guess that’s why I feel like this works a lot better. Changing up the target helps.

So....if they do a heist movie with females, they naturally do their heist on an event which is mostly about showing off pretty dresses?

Urgh.....

I mean, I like the cast, and I freely admit, I might like the trailer more if it didn't stand for a studio thinking that they can easy money by appealing to the female demographic by taking the hand-me-downs of a male dominated franchise. If this thing were named differently, I might be ready to give it the benefit of the doubt. Still, the whole thing "let's put the heist at a fashion event" reminds me waaaaay too much of Catwoman having to fight evil make up.

I’m glad they didn’t go for the casino again. It gives it differentiation from Ghostbusters trying to copy things 1:1.

edited 19th Dec '17 1:41:07 PM by Beatman1

@Beatman. Thanks. Thinking about, my feeling is that casino heists have ingrained in them specific tropes- a gambling addict team member, a mob-affiliated or otherwise violent mark, and a certain presumption that casinos can't be robbed. In fact, while true of heist stories generally my sense is that casino heists most often have the element of doing a bait and switch about the target.

Whereas if your characters are trying to rob an art museum or the Crown Jewels, I have more of an expectation that they might do exactly that.

Incidentlaly, for what it's worth, I quite liked the Ghostbusters remake.

Oh I am glad that they didn't go for a casino, too, but they could have gone for something which doesn't smack of some writer or executives thinking "OK, what are women interested in - I know, FASHION!".

Like, have you ever seen Topkapi? Perhaps my favourite Heist movie. And plays neither in a casino nor at some sort of Gala, it is a nice little museum heist.

My reaction:

Explanation: In spite of it following in the female led Ghostbusters movie, base on the trailer ithe movie seems to be going the opposite direction and produce a legititemately good reboot. It takes a different direction in the story yet retains the humor/quirk that made the original (remake) so memorable. The actress give out some funny low key dialogue that is in no way feel forced. And the overall presentation in the trailer in selling the movie got me interested in seeing the film. So in short, I think this reboot looks promising and might produce a great film in the end.

edited 19th Dec '17 4:45:00 PM by BigK1337

The Metropolitan Gala, despite all the sparkle, has a really, really nasty side to it. Anna Wintour, the woman who runs Vogue Magazine, uses it to basically determine who matters and who doesn't. And she'll bury someone who was invited one year but not the next in trash. And even aside from that, the incredibly cutthroat, unpleasant elements of the fashion world are in attendance or pulling the strings.

I have a feeling they picked it as the target for the movie because of the nasty underbelly of the whole thing. Because, the more you find out about the Met Gala, the more you realize that if you want an Ocean's 11 style movie away from the gambling world and don't want it to involve a museum or private residence, the Met Gala is actually a really good idea.

Not Three Laws compliant.

...wow, 17,000 downvotes already. Not as bad as Ghostbusters 2016 but still not good.

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Ghostbusters is the Genre Original Sin. If that hadn’t happened this would be a lot easier to prove.

It also helps that Sandra Bullock is a thousand times the actress Melissa Mc Carthy is.

So suddenly female led movies are a genre? What?

Ghostbusters 2016 being a bad movie shouldn't be an excuse for sexist idiots jumping to conclusions about Ocean's 8.

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The issue is the mind set behind it. Like I said above, it feels as if the female actresses get the hand-me downs of a male franchises and are consequently doomed to always be the lesser version of it. That is basically why Wonder Woman will always be a better character than Supergirl or Batgirl, because she is heading her own franchise. And in a time in which franchises like Hunger games did provide new fresh female lead, going for the "female version of a male thing" angle feels like a huge step back.

I am all for a female lead heist movie, but why does it have be connected to Oceans 11 (a movie I personally didn't even like that much in the first place, it doesn't even hold a candle to the classic heist movies of the past like The Sting, Topkapi or A Wish named Wanda)? Why can't it be a new crew? And if you really, really want to connect it to a know IP, just make it a Carmen Sandiego movie.

What's wrong with a good ol' "let's rob Fort Knox"?

I think that has a similar “acknowledged impossibility” issue as robbing a casino.

Also, not too easy to fence gold bars.

x4 I think the trope Beatman 1 mixed up was Franchise Original Sin; he wasn't really revering to female led movies as a genre, and was talking about Ghostbusters as a franchise.

He's not wrong though that said film status as such created a negative stigma regarding films of such characteristic/formula. Its' kind of similar to the initial skepticism of the Wonder Woman as not only does it have to face the stigma of being a DCEU film after the failures of Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad, but also the stigmas that come from being a female led comic book movie (. . . let's just say all of them before Wonder Woman sucked).

But like Wonder Woman, Ocean 8 has the possibility of not sucking as it has a pretty good trailer, an actually intriguing premise that subverts the formula in some way, promotion for the film being tasteful, and the cast/crew involved being really good (well aside from Rihanna whose last two movies aren't much to talk about).

So while there is potential for this film, I won't say the initial disdain for the movie is completely unreasonable.

edited 19th Dec '17 10:46:36 PM by BigK1337

I'm just annoyed because the 2001 Ocean's 11 is also a remake, but nobody is complaing about the lack of "original ideas" about that one

Ghostbusters's famous trailer didn't really capture anything of the original Ghostbusters, instead looking like a typical SNL trash film, well... in addition to the gender flip.

Its really hard to screw up a typical Heist Film in the same way.

x2 I'm thinking that's mostly because of the year it came out where remakes didn't have that stigma of being proof that Hollywood is running out of ideas and the internet was still relatively small (and slow).

Its like complaining about how no one back then complained about the remakes for Night of the Living Dead, The Thing, Invasion of the Body Snatchers and Ghostbusters (yep, the original 1984 Ghostbuster was, kind of sort of, a remake to the Filmation live action tv series from the 70s).

edited 20th Dec '17 12:46:51 AM by BigK1337

I don't think that Wonder Woman being a female lead comic book movie was in any way a stigma, quite the opposite. Wonder Woman's status as feminist icon was a bonus so big that even people who disliked the DCEU went and saw it. But Wonder Woman is not some secondary version of some male character, she Wonder Woman, there is no superhero quite like her.

Ocean's eight has a slightly better chance than Ghostbusters because I don't think that the respective fans of those movies ever connected to the actual characters the way they connected to the Ghostbusters. So they are more open for a replacement. But that doesn't make the "all female" thing less like a gimmick.

Watched the trailer.

Wasn't exactly spectacular for me, but I still liked it. It seems to have its own style.

It looks definitely better than Ghostbusters 2016, if nothing else.

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