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GutstheBerserker from Haiti Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1: Feb 16th 2016 at 9:44:04 AM

There are a couple of issues I would like to point out regarding certain race tropes,in particular Black Gal on White Guy Drama.

It's been pointed out in the discussion page that the title itself is problematic. The use of the word "on" and "drama" connotes a certain agression on the part of the Black women. To quote the discussion page:

Like the newly changed Asian Gal with White Guy Drama (used to be called "Love You Long Time"), I think the title is racially insensitive for this reason. Use of the word "On". When I think of a something-on-something interaction, I think of violence! (I.e. "black on black crime"). For me, this draws the stereotypical Unfortunate Implications about black women: overly aggressive, loud, animalistic, throwing themselves at white men like they're going out of style.

Also, many examples boil down to "A black girl is dating a white guy". I've noticed this on couple of race related tropes. No mention is made of any real existing "drama". Take the Berserk example. All it says is that Guts enters a relationship with Casca. At no point in the work are they reviled because of their races. Same sort of problem can be found on the Scary Black Man page. Lots of examples are simply normal black men that appear in a work but are qualified as "Scary".

Finally, the page image itself is a weird choice for Black Gal on White Guy Drama. The image source indicates that it's an image taken from a fashion magazine of two models. It's just a black girl sitting next to a white guy on a bench. How does this illustrate the trope?

Please let me know what you guys think.

edited 16th Feb '16 11:12:36 AM by GutstheBerserker

ObsidianFire Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#2: Feb 16th 2016 at 10:12:22 AM

By the above logic, Girl on Girl Is Hot should be changed because it sounds like it is about violence. Those racial trope names could probably be changed to something clearer, but not because of the "violence" stereotype.

GutstheBerserker from Haiti Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#3: Feb 16th 2016 at 11:39:44 AM

By the above logic, Girl-on-Girl Is Hot should be changed because it sounds like it is about violence.

I understand your argument but I will have to disagree.

The historical connotations of the two expressions are different. Understand that I`m not arguing to have the word "on" banned from all trope names. That would be ridiculous. I'm speaking about the specific use of "Black on <something>".

Girl on Girl Is Hot is a trope that describes something that is meant to be appealing and positive (theoretically).

Historically, expressions of the form "Black on <Y>" originated during the race riots in the U.S. during the 1960s. To keep this short, Idioms like "black-on-black" are pretty politically loaded and using the same phrasing structure in a trope name comes off as problematic to me.

edited 16th Feb '16 11:41:01 AM by GutstheBerserker

Gideoncrawle Elder statesman from Put out to pasture Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#4: Feb 16th 2016 at 12:14:51 PM

I believe Trope Repair Shop is the proper venue for trope renaming discussions. Keep in mind, though, that not liking a trope's current name is not in and of itself a valid reason for proposing a rename. You must have evidence that the current name is causing misuse, Zero Context Examples, complaining, failure to thrive, or similar problems.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5: Feb 16th 2016 at 12:27:40 PM

If it's about two characters of compatible genders I find the connotation to sex is far stronger than to violence.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#6: Feb 17th 2016 at 9:57:01 PM

... That's interesting that the trope name itself has Unfortunate Implications.

But I think they are implications though rather than a problematic title. Like you're totally right that "black on white" (or vice versa) is often used to describe crime. But as mentioned, the trope title mirrors the phrase Girl on Girl (which I think is a preexisting term). And in that context, "on" means in a romantic/sexual relationship.

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