Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans

Lets take it this way, people. Killing Jasley is a must and it does fix lots of problem (at least for McMurdo, and I'm pretty sure the ass-chin will cause more trouble if Tekkadan leave him be). But Tekkadan don't kill him just to prevent him from causing more trouble, it's also personal revenge, and that part is indeed feel like hollowed victory for them (not for us though, we feel incredible good).

I think it's worth to note that this episode also potray Jasley as a very lousy boss. In desperate situation, all of his goons keep ask him what should they do and Jasley himself curse that he's surround by useless people. Compare that to Tekkadan, which Shino can come up with Turbines rescue plan while Orga was out of idea, and even Mika will act on his own against Orga's order if he think it's necessary. Or to Turbines, which Amida see through Naze's intention and choose to assist him because his plan is outright suicidal, and the other girls are ready to move on with their life afterward. Hell, even the boss and dragons of Dawn's Horizon pirate were get out and fight by themselves at the end. (and to think that someone used to make Jasley an enlighten person who gave "voice of reason" by critic Turbines and Tekkadan as totalitarianism...what an irony)

edited 5th Feb '17 8:33:42 PM by Kuruni

Been behind for three episodes, and let's just say it's been a thrilling ride catching up. I was scared for Lafter's life ever since Jasley decided to persist in his shit, and it was oh so nice that he got utterly crushed. Even if he took down some child soldiers with him in the process.

I'm both excited and nervous about Tekkadan's ultimate fate. I can taste the bittersweet already...

Accepting Jasley's surrender and handing him over to McMurdo would have been the morally superior option because it would have saved the lives of his crew, ensuring that only the guilty party met a sticky end. Instead, Mika obliterated his flagship, killing everyone on it. The episode drew a lot of attention to the collateral damage of Tekkadan's revenge - that shot of a terrified child getting squished by the Gusion's pincers simply would not have come up in an episode that was purely about righteous, justified retribution.

edited 6th Feb '17 6:53:13 AM by Iaculus

What's precedent ever done for us?

They smashed the bridge, they didn't obliterate the entire flagship. I'm assuming that once their boss was dead, they allowed everyone else to surrender — which they've done before, with the Brewers and Dawn Horizon — rather than slaughtering them to the man, which they've never shown an inclination to do. I suppose you're right in that allowing him to surrender in order to save his crew would have been the morally superior choice, but I'm not inclined to criticize them for it, honestly.

As far as showing the hapless pilots being killed, just because something is Dirty Business doesn't mean it's wrong. They made the point that they can't show mercy because it's kill-or-be-killed and none of them is a Kira who can easily cripple mecha without harming the pilots. So they kill, rather than be killed. It's unfortunate, but that doesn't make it wrong, and the show emphasizing the misfortunate doesn't mean they're suggesting it is wrong.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

One can even argue Kira's methods are stupid because all it does is allow those pilots to come back and kill your friends. Plus... I always found the Freedom's using beam weapons on explode-y happy MS a very... thin-ice method to disabling Mobile Suits. The Hi MAT System's multi-target system especially with that multi-spam can't always hit a head or limb dead on without possibly piercing a reactor or vital sector. The AGE-FX Gundam's C-Funnels were slightly more reasonable with the blades cutting up limbs and showcasing much better how one would disable the enemy. Too bad that show SUCKED in making us wanting the heroes to be merciful to the homicidal Vegan aside from us naturally not wishing full-on-genocide like Flit wanted too.

I digress those two series are their own topics. I felt Tekkadan handled the fight the best they could and Jasley pretty much showed he wasn't worth showing mercy towards and let's not forget his mooks willingly went with his jerkassery and willingness to murder defenseless women, or use Human Debris to bump Jasley's status. Those two hyenas on each side especially deserve to share his fate given their complacency in his scheme.

Jasley deserved no less than to be smashed by the very space-rats he looked down on, not handed over to anyone else; unless that resulted in Mc Murdo using his katana to chop his balls off before slitting his throat, slowly so he didn't die quickly. If anything Mika's instant smash was a quick mercy death he didn't deserve; but he did at least deserve Tekkadan being his executioners.

Also...yeah don't see why anyone has a beef with the battle I thought it made things clear Tekkadan didn't kill out of sadism and malice; these guys were out to kill them so they simply killed them first so they could live.

edited 6th Feb '17 2:08:45 PM by GBHPrime84

Fly Gundam! Autobots ROLL OUT! COWABUNGA/BOOYAKASHA!!

There's also fact that nanolaminate armor's mean that you have to be forceful in order to damage target too.

Take a look at those chopper blade, not exactly ideal weapon for dealing nonlethal damage, especially against target with DR 10/-, armed with similar blade, want to kill you, and in case of Human Debris - will never surrender.

Gundam Flauros circa Calamity War◊

Episode 43 is out!

• It looks like McGillis had pretty fucked up past. It seems that whenever we learn more about Iznario Fareed we find more about how he was not a pleasant man.
• So in the end might makes right for McGillis. This is not going to end well...
• And we finally learn what we always knew about Vidar. He's Galileo! What was speculated less but isn't that surprising is the Gundam Vidar is Ein.
• Bael looks very similar to the Master Gundam. That's some pretty big boots it has to fill so let's hope that Bael delivers.
• It looks like Galileo is going down so easily this time. Looks like we're going to get some serious battles in the next few episodes.
• That theory about the Gundam frames absorbing ones soul when overclocked is suddenly looking very plausible...

It looks like the final arc of the season is going to be pretty intense. I'm hyped!

edited 12th Feb '17 4:48:38 AM by MachThreeSlug

They actually went there:

• Exile was too merciful a fate for Iznario. Congratulations IBO for surpassing Uso's mom's death as the most fucked up scene in Gundam.
• Liza (the face of Macky's revolution) kind of creeps me out. He's way too enthusiastic.
• I love how Rustal responded to the coup by locking Iok up so he couldn't fuck things up again.
• Late teens Macky looks the same as adult Macky, but late teens Gaelio looks noticeably younger than adult Gaelio.
• I never really doubted that Vidar was Gaelio (and I'm pretty sure the only ones who did were those who thought that it was too obvious a twist). I also saw the Ein Super Mode coming a mile away, although I was a little surprised to see that it works through the Alaya-Vijnana system.
• Speaking of which, how did Macky get an AV system installed? He didn't have one as a child.
• Judging by the reactions of the Seven Stars, Gundam Bael is probably more dangerous than merely being the symbol of leadership of Gjallarhorn. One of the Stars said it contains the soul of Agnika Kaieru. I wonder if Agnika was really the hero Macky thinks he is. There's probably a good reason why none of the Seven Stars appear to be descended from him.

Wow, McGillis's backstory is dark

I was expecting Galigali to be in worse condition

Episode was interesting. Feels closer to the end than it actually is

Wow this episode. Also I have a serious question. Which I will get to after this long winded explanation. A lot of people are worried that Mcgills would do something to Almiria but I keep coming back to the question of why would he? Considering his past and what he's been through I personally can't see him doing anything to her. Of course I'll eat my hat and yell in shame if I'm wrong but can someone explain to me the though process behind a scary idea?

Hyped for Hyperdimension Neptunia V 2

I guess the idea of a vicious cycle?

Also, I think Gali is one of my new fav characters now

edited 12th Feb '17 6:24:55 AM by AlphaVII

Warrior to the very end! My tumblr, dood!

Well, in the preview, Almiria is crying and is either bleeding or is covered in someone's blood so it can't be any thing good...

(@#$% you Data Vampire)

Ok. Lets say IBO is heavily inspired by Berserk and McGillis' expy entry can add Griffith. His past explain why he has some respect to Tekkadan...and why he's so twisted as a person.

Vidar unmask and it's Gaelio like we know all along. He look much cooler though, and is much grow up person since S1. And Gundam Vidar really has Ein inside all along too. It's interesting that Mika actually remember him.

And look like Gjallarhorn manage to implant AV on adult too.

Well, McGillis' plan is surprisingly underwhelming. Ok, Bael is pretty cool (the wings remind me of Freedom even more) but it appear that he bet on its effect as symbol of Gjallarhorn, and surely Gaelio manage to reduce it. We have to to for another episode to see how well it work though. But really, they expect it to be "instant win" card? Even without Gaelio it would still be unrealistic expectation. I wish he has more practical plan to use.

Fun symbolism. McGillis bring out Bael the "King" of 72 Gundams to back up his supreme authority, and the one that challenge it is Vidar, the Gundam that's removed from 72.

I guess the next episode will take a short break from MS action, although we can expect few bodies. Poor Almiria... especially since McGillis even call her his wife now.

edited 12th Feb '17 6:42:00 AM by Kuruni

So, based on your comment, IBO is Berserk meets Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain IN SPACE?

edited 12th Feb '17 6:49:11 AM by CelPrevXXVI

Sed regresso retributio. Carpe Diem. Deus lo Vult...

With some Full Metal Jacket thrown in?

Warrior to the very end! My tumblr, dood!

Jesus. Yeah, I can definitely see how Mc Gillis ended up the way he did. And wow Ein just can't catch a break, can he?

Thoughts in this episode:

Of course we know Vidar is Gaelio. We just need some confirmation, and this is what we need.

Huh, so that's why McGillis is surprisingly comfortable being betrothed to Almiria. That's one efficient coup he has going on. Iok the Brave still in his timeout. Even Gjallarhorn has Tekkadan fanboys. Vidar is Gaelio! What a twist. Ein is integrated into the Gundam! What a twist. Is McGillis being figurative or literal when he says Bael has the soul of Agnika Kaieru? Because with recent revelations either way is possible. Gaelio has a lot to live up to if he wants to beat his old friend. Hopefully McGillis has more in mind than beating Rustal/Gaelio and hoping everyone else capitulates to him immediately.

This episode definitely explains why McGillis is so interested in Tekkadan.

edited 12th Feb '17 9:54:09 AM by Lionheart0

Feels like some miss the point if thry think just because of his backstory he wouldn't do scummy things to Almira. Vidar waited and correctly figured out what Mcgillis intentions are and he wanted to see if they were good or not, and he very much came to the correct conclusion it's all about power to him, which he did by guessing how he would increase his power and authority via Bael. He doesn't trust or care about anyone except in ways that exert his power and authority. Gaelio himself squashes the idea that he even has friends when Mcgillis called him such in the pass, making it clear he was never their friend and it was all manipulation. He's a literal schoolyard bully who got the power to bully everyone else. No surprise Rustal says he's still a child.

I also liked how Rustal even knowing Iok being an idiot with charisma still seems a little exasperated with how many are so blindingly loyal despite his constant incompetence.

edited 12th Feb '17 10:41:10 AM by OmegaRadiance

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Anyone liked how Liza the Gjallarhorn rebel tried to get a handshake out of Orga, but couldn't either out of weirdness on Orga's part or as a Call-Back to how we mostly assumed Kudelia didn't get her handshake out of Mikazuki two years prior due to her not earning it until she watched the Dort Massacre ensue around her?

edited 12th Feb '17 10:47:12 AM by HallowHawk

I was sort of meh on this episode, honestly. Lots of reveals, but basically all of them were expected. There were no actual surprises this episode, just confirmations, which means it didn't have a whole lot of impact for me.

The tldr version of the logic is "McGillis = Char = evil = Would Hurt a Child", but honestly that's dumb. I've been arguing since season one that McGillis isn't evil, just ruthless — just like basically everyone else in IBO. (The ones that weren't are... Carta and pre-Vidar Gaelio. And that worked out great for them, didn't it?)

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

It doesn't help that he has been acting all caring and sweet towards the girl, and then here he confirms that raw power is the only thing he actually cares about it.

Almiria to him is a nice cards to play in his bid for power, and that's all there is to it. And based on this, she could get discarded once she is no longer useful to keep around.

Being a Char has nothing to do with it, and after this episode I've seen more Griffith comparisons online.

And as has been pointed out he only cares about power, which is why he flaunts the fact she's his object to both his father in law who he has captive and Gaelio when he tried to kill him.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.