Wonder Woman Movie

Plastic rips. Plastic wrap for example.

You couldn't just leave my joke alone, could you? Joke killer.

We just saw the killing of a joke. A Killing Joke, if you will.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all night.

Ahh, my spine!

...on second thought, that was a terrible joke.

edited 29th Aug '16 1:59:34 PM by alliterator

Killing Joke, not Knightfall!

Someone is shot in the spine in The Killing Joke. That...that's what I was going for.

I'll just walk away in shame now.

But you're not Barbara Gordon! You didn't even have rooftop sex with Batman!

Let's see... how to make this worse... ah ha!

And here I thought it was because Barbara's future kids stepped on a lot of cracks! Wakka Wakka.

<gets pelted by garbage and bricks and some rusty nails>

edited 29th Aug '16 2:32:25 PM by KnownUnknown

Now putting Wonder Woman in heels is not making her look like a man.

Hope the moment of Diana hurting Darkseid with a piece of her soul makes it into the DCEU.

Does she like... rip off a piece of her soul and use it like a shiv on Darkseid or something?

It's a bit complicated.

In the crossover event Our Worlds at War, Darkseid proved instrumental to the heroes’ victory. But his powers had been stripped from him, and in order to restore his full strength, Wonder Woman had to give up a piece of her soul, placing it inside Darkseid. Naturally, when the day is won, Darkseid goes on to gloat about how his victory is complete, while Wonder Woman lost hundreds of Amazons in battle and had to give up a piece of her own soul. Looks like things suck for Diana…until Darkseid gets home.

On Darkseid’s home world of Apokolips, it goes back to business as usual, with him ruling the world with an iron fist. Fifteen issues down the line, inexplicably, he shows mercy to someone he would normally execute with his Omega Beams. It turns out that because Wonder Woman now has a piece of her soul in Darkseid, he now has a sliver of compassion in his otherwise black heart. This causes Darkseid to scream in agony. He’s taken hits from Superman and seen terrors beyond human imagining, but the real way to hurt him is to make him a somewhat nice guy.

Would it be torture to make the guy watch cute Sugar Bowl cartoons? And make it so he can't just escape or destroy the screen.

Trevor Morris is doing the score. You may recognize his work if you've played Dragon Age Inquisition, or if you've watched any of the [Place] Has Fallen movies.

If it affected him, yeah I'd say it would be torture. How much sympathy you have for him may vary.

Hmmm, how much sympathy can I generate for a genocidal tyrant? Let's see here.

Anybody got a thimble?

Pants.

I do love Diana being somewhere between Porno Mancer and Chick Magnet prior to leaving Themyscira. :] .

edited 6th Sep '16 8:03:14 PM by Soble

Feminism is a really interesting topic, but the easiest way to explain it is that, if the trope or aspect is empowering or enjoyed by the woman who uses it as a conscious choice, then good on her.

Its a difference between being sexy and sexualized. Wonder Woman can look sexy, but its going to be sexist if it becomes clear that the costume was just designed in such a way that the camera can stare at her ass for 5 mins of screen time.

So, yeah, Wonder Woman can be the power fantasy and wear a sexy costume... as long as the camera doesn't sexualize her. Similar to how, though they wear skin tight clothing and etc, the camera never oggles Superman's crotch, ass, or pectorals/nipples. And the one time they did, the internet never forgot it.

edited 9th Sep '16 2:20:45 AM by InkDagger

When was that?

... I want to know for research purposes...

The Bat-nipples.

That.

Yeah, but Bayonetta and Tracer.

Strangely I've never heard anything about Zero Suit Samus, and that one actually makes me raise an eyebrow.

edited 9th Sep '16 12:49:55 AM by Soble

And that is really the ultimate thing, it's about equivalence instead of identical. There is a difference between a costume that looks good on the performer and a costume designed to look sexy. The Wonder Woman costume looks good on her, and has already been influencing the comics and other adaptations like Justice League Action. Giving her a Grecian-inspired combat skirt I feel was brilliant, versus a bikini cut, pants, shorts or the star-spangled skirt. It feels like an outfit with cultural significance, whereas previously she always stood out even among her fellow Amazons, and that didn't help much regarding the claims of the costume being exploitative.

edited 9th Sep '16 1:30:08 AM by KJMackley

Which is where the line between 'sexy' and 'sexualized' can be a bit blurred. After all, we're talking about fictional characters who have no actual consent in the way the dress or are presented. A real woman can wear a shirt that looks nice on her and present herself as she wishes and, if that's how she wants to dress, good for her. She probably has little intention in what she wears besides 'this looks like a nice outfit for today'.

A character's costume is different in that its deliberate. Every detail is thought about by a designer or a creator of some sort that has to account for symbolism, color coding and coordination, making sure its fitted to the actor in relation to the stunts they have to do, etc. Its a lot harder to argue 'They dress that way because they like it' when so much deliberate thought is put into every stitch. A good example of this is Quiet from MGS V.

Bayonetta, while many argue that she's sexualized and too fanservicy, is also a character some have admired despite the absurd levels of sex appeal. And are they wrong to do so? Not really, no. If you think she looks cool and want to go to a con dressed as her, who is anyone to say you can't enjoy that?

With Tracer, it was more of an argument about character and weather that was a good representation of her character. Not to say that she can't be sexy, but weather sex appeal was a major character trait for her. And, from my understanding, the dev team had thought similarly about the pose before any actual player brought it up. The replaced pose was more innocently attractive which more accurately represented Tracer as a character.

This is why it becomes a REALLY complicated topic. Some women find sex and sexuality and revealing clothing to be incredibly empowering. Some find the use of those same tropes in media to be degrading, sexist, or tired. And neither are exactly wrong in the matter. Its Grey vs. Grey Morality if I had to pick a trope to describe it.

But both groups of woman tend to agree that the gazing camera is a problem and that female characters going into fights in high heels is patently ridiculous. When it comes to the camera it is the difference between the Superman pose and the bat-nipples, when it comes to clothing in general one should always consider if they are appropriate for the situation at hand. You can actually look sexy while wearing flats.

I hope Quiet isn't supposed to be a "good example of a costume that is justified by the story", because...seriously, it is not. They obviously started by drawing a sexy almost-naked babe and then started thinking "well, now now, how do we explain that a sniper of all things is walking around in a bikini?"

It's not even well-thought as there already was a Sniper character in the same franchise with similar "incredible camouflage abilities" coming from parasites of a sort...and it was played 110% non-sexily (The End).