The Global Refugee Wave and Migrant Crisis

For the record, I don't think military intervention is needed in Libya. But to not try and help them (in whatever way they actually need) and instead move on to Sudan is an idiot's solution.

Any refugees coming from Eastern Africa? The majority seem to be coming from Northern and Western Africa.

edited 15th May '16 4:35:07 PM by Bat178

That seems a query for a general africa thead rather than here....

Changed it to something more appropriate.

They're coming from East Africa, there are economic migrants from West Africa but the refugees are coming from East Africa via North Africa. Remember East Africa has Somalia (which is Somalia) and Eritrea (which on some evilness ranking scores worse then North Korea), plus (depending on how you split the region) also South Sudan, a country that formed largely because Sudan's ruler is a genocidal asshole who had to allow it to form to retain his grip on power in the north and is still involved in a semi-war with the north.

West Africa is calm compared to the east, thus less refugees.

Then there is Central Africa which, outside of Angola and Sao Tome and Principe, is a hellhole (Though Gabon has also been improving recently). And despite the genocidal maniac in charge of Sudan, countries back Sudan and not South Sudan...

edited 15th May '16 5:21:14 PM by Bat178

Angola is a hell hole too, just one that, for the last decade, has been able to calm everything down with an oil boom. Now that said boom is over, Angola is gonna get scary again.

It should also be noted that people from central africa use east africa as a conduit to the north (since crossing directly is kinda difficult with the Sahara in the way, if you are on foot).

edited 15th May '16 8:38:24 PM by FFShinra

I find it funny how we're on this topic, since I just finished reading a Wonder Woman comic arc where the titular superheroine leads UN forces in maintaining a fragile peace in a fictitious subsaharan African country, which has a political backstory strongly implying it to be an expy of Sudan. Apparently in the DC universe, the global presence of the Justice League has led to the UN's peacekeepers taking much more proactive stances on the ground than in Real Life. They even have Apache helicopters.

Only if/when President "for life" Eduardo dos Santos dies and his daughter leaves the country, leaving the guys a few ranks below (military, economy, finance) to fight it out. And, in any case, we're already preparing ourselves if/for when the possible shit hits the fan and economic and political refugees will have to come here.

edited 15th May '16 9:25:34 PM by Quag15

I spy with my little eye... the Caprivi Strip blowing up. Again.

Uganda and Angola: siblings who keep insisting the other is worse and occasionally dragging others in to it. For now, Angola is probably right. But, if things fall apart, the usual regional flashpoints are probably going to flare up. Call me a bitch, but I kind of hope Angola goes north for distractions from internal tensions, not south.

Uganda could use some cleaning. -_-

edited 16th May '16 12:02:45 AM by Euodiachloris

X-post from European politics thread:

Europe migrant crisis: EU faces 'populist uprising'

For those fleeing from Syria, how is one from Ethnic Group A differentiated from another from Ethnic Group B?

They don't. Authorities have to go with what they're told.

So which ethnic groups have those fleeing to Europe?

All of them, judging by the sheer volume. It's easier to say the origin country than the specific ethnic group. The refugee crisis consists of not only Syria, but also Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Africa.

edited 18th May '16 6:09:32 AM by TerminusEst

Are there Circassians who fled into Europe aside from the Caucasus areas?

Maybe some. Many of them stopped in Turkey.

Like I said, asking for specific ethnic groups is pointless. There's no way of telling except their documents and what they say. Even then, they'll just be classified by their origin country.

edited 18th May '16 6:17:20 AM by TerminusEst

I see. Thanks.

European migrant crisis:: Shipwrecks 'kill up to 700 migrants'. With the summer season, the "Mediterranean route" is picking up - and so is the Grim Reaper.

Meanwhile, further North: Migrants could die crossing Channel, ex-Chief Inspector warns

It's not really a "could", it's more of a "migrants have already died and will continue to die" situation.

I am starting to think that adopting the Australian method of dealing with refugees is the only workable solution to this problem sice the current approach of sending mixed messages (saving ships in danger while actively discouraging migration to Northern Europe) clerly is not working.

So tourture, human rights abuse and putting people into camps?

Sounds wonderful.

And letting thousands drown is better? The problem is currently many migrants are using bad boats because they know that European ships might rescue them and bring them to European shore. If we were to instead send them (in boats that are not about to sink) back, it could discourage them to risk their lifes. It worked in Greece too.

That's nice, but send them back where and how? Australia puts them in horrible offshore camps with terrifying rates of rape, murder, and disease.