Does Not Illustrate: No True Scotsman

There's got to be a better illustration of this fallacy than a visual pun that's not even apparent unless you know that Liam Neeson is Irish.

This comic is the best I could find, but personally I think the current should be pulled regardless.

edited 8th Jun '15 11:25:45 AM by Camberf

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Moving the Goalposts has its own page.

It's also a separate fallacy.

I think the OP is more Moving the Goalposts than No True Scotsman.

Well, it was drawn specifically to illustrate No True Scotsman.

That doesn't show.

More specifically, Moving the Goalposts is about changing the goal when it's met to deny someone.

No True Scotsman is about arbitrarily definining someone to not fit a group for the purpose of excluding them, usually in the face of the person actually fitting the group.

The image is more about changing a goal that defining someone to not fit.

When two tropes are close with a degree of overlap, it's best to not have an image that also overlaps. That just creates confusion.

edited 8th Jun '15 6:58:48 PM by AnotherDuck

edited 8th Jun '15 8:17:04 PM by rodneyAnonymous

If the line that says "the rules has changed" is removed, would that image work better?

How about this?◊

I would recommend something about the civil war from Skyrim. The imperial nords believe that no true Nord would ever be a fair-weather friend to an age-old ally, and the Stormcloak Nords believe that no true Nord would ever give up their worship of Talos in exchange for Imperial gold and food.

I have no idea how an image could tell that story.

Clock is set. I think we should probably pull the current regardless of whether we find a replacement.

I actually kinda like the joke with the current; the caption just needs some tweaking to make it more apparent that Neeson's Irish.

It should lose the chained Sink Hole, too.

So basically, something like:

edited 7th Jul '15 1:42:04 PM by ShadowHog

If the image needs such explanation to work, then it's not a good image and defeats the purpose of Visual Pun in the first place. Voting to pull for being JAFAAC.

I am afraid I agree. Close to the borderline, but on the wrong side.

"This casting choice gets some people's Irish up."

That may be waaaaay too subtle/layered/whatever, but I still like it.

edited 7th Jul '15 5:09:21 PM by Willbyr

Pull the man in the kilt. It does nothing to show the idea of this.

Clock's up. I've cut the links in the caption down to Visual Pun, but otherwise this one's pretty much spun its wheels. Locking up.