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Prime_of_Perfection Where force fails, cunning prevails Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3426: Sep 12th 2017 at 2:11:58 PM

Season 1 Merlyn was great with me. I loved him as a villain then. It's stuff that followed, particularly Season 3, that harmed his character and just the whole show. Well, he's one of the things.

I will note real quick with Laurel's death in season 4, I was still indifferent. I didn't like her character in season 1, 2, or 3 (as this thread best documents) so I shrugged.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3427: Sep 12th 2017 at 7:13:44 PM

Season 1 Merlyn rocked. He even worked fine in Season 2, but after that he was increasingly worse as a character and a presence on Arrow.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#3428: Sep 12th 2017 at 7:18:20 PM

He never really seemed to do much in Season 1, though. He was fine, but it seems like he and the season would have been better if more...happened.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3429: Sep 12th 2017 at 7:26:57 PM

If you didn't like the first season of Arrow, it's understandable to drop it. Might have been for the better, since you avoided witnessing the badness of Season 3 and 4,

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#3430: Sep 12th 2017 at 7:39:22 PM

He just wasn't revealed right away. I don't remember when exactly but I know Merlyn showed up as the Dark Archer and whooped Oliver in their first battle. Then even when Oliver came in full gear and Merlyn was unarmed, Merlyn still beat him.

Merlyn was great in the first season.

edited 12th Sep '17 7:39:44 PM by Soble

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#3431: Sep 13th 2017 at 1:12:07 AM

[up][up]But also the greatness of 2 and 5.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3432: Sep 13th 2017 at 3:16:35 AM

If 5 is good, good. I wouldn't know or care because I didn't go back after 4. And saying anything about 2 was pointless because Unsung didn't like 1.

edited 13th Sep '17 3:17:16 AM by VeryMelon

deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#3433: Sep 13th 2017 at 10:07:22 AM

[up]Personally, I didn't become a true fan of the show until the second season. Season 2 is a much more well-developed and interesting version of Arrow in comparison to the first season. The character dynamics are at their absolute best, the romance was actually well done, the villain was much more interesting, the jokes were funnier, the universe expanded, and so much more. It's just a great season of television.

Honestly, Season One almost feels like a different show as opposed to the rest of the franchise. It's basically Nolan-Batman lite with a lot of characters who ranged from bland to downright infuriating. It's just so...dour a lot of the time.

I gotta say though, @Very Melon, for somebody rocking the Oliver Queen avatar you're very adamant about never going back to the show. Season Four must have done a real number on you. [lol]

edited 13th Sep '17 10:07:56 AM by deuteragonist

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#3434: Sep 13th 2017 at 10:17:10 AM

But trust me, really, Season 5 is worth coming back for. Prometheus is my favorite villain of the entire verse.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#3435: Sep 13th 2017 at 10:45:37 AM

Arrow's fifth season turned out better and more coherent than Flash's third and Supergirl's second.

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#3436: Sep 13th 2017 at 11:07:15 AM

[up]Legends of Tomorrow Season 2 was still the most fun, though.

edited 13th Sep '17 11:07:40 AM by deuteragonist

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#3437: Sep 13th 2017 at 11:08:05 AM

It was the best of the 16/17 bunch imO, though Legends Season 2 comes second.

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#3438: Sep 13th 2017 at 11:17:05 AM

Of the last batch of seasons, Legends was my favorite. It's just so fun and unashamedly comic-booky.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3439: Sep 13th 2017 at 12:51:48 PM

I gotta say though, @Very Melon, for somebody rocking the Oliver Queen avatar you're very adamant about never going back to the show. Season Four must have done a real number on you.

This avatar is a crop of an image from those reddit synopses gags. I like this one that much it was worth seeing the finale over.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3441: Oct 9th 2017 at 5:52:23 PM

Some details on Constantine.

“As for the character of Constantine, we knew that an alienated, chain-smoking, bisexual, world-weary demonologist would feel right at home among our Legends. His appearance in episode 310 will involve the following: a revisiting of Arrow season four and the events following that season’s finale episode; a confrontation with this season’s Big Bad on Legends, the name we’ve only heard whispered until now, Mallus. [There will be] some hot sex, something that has been in short supply on the Waverider thus far in season three. and Damien Darhk (Neil Mc Donough), because how can you do an episode about dark magic and not have Damien Darhk? More than anything, the episode promises to be scary as you know what tonally, it’s The Exorcist meets One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. Demonic possession in a mental institution, what’s not to love?”

edited 9th Oct '17 5:53:19 PM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#3442: Oct 9th 2017 at 5:59:01 PM

The lack of sex was a good thing.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#3443: Oct 9th 2017 at 7:03:56 PM

[There will be] some hot sex, something that has been in short supply on the Waverider thus far in season three. and Damien Darhk (Neil Mc Donough), because how can you do an episode about dark magic and not have Damien Darhk

I want to slap these people.

Repeatedly.

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#3446: Oct 9th 2017 at 7:52:26 PM

I’m not a big Darkh fan. The sex thing isn’t that much of an issue, the Arrowverse has always been good about equal-opportunity sexiness, but love scenes are just wastes of time to me

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#3447: Oct 9th 2017 at 8:00:03 PM

It's cable television. Sex means hollywood sex which means 4 minutes of the guy taking his shirt off, lip-locking, dramatic gasping with sunlight peering through the window, and then a cut before returning to the scene with the woman fully dressed or semi-decent, and the guy walking around shirtless and buff, maybe even in his skivvies.

And frankly this objectification of the male gender offends me greatly.

I just don't get the use of sex in basic cable programming. Either go Spartacus Blood & Sand or go home. There are so many better ways to waste screen time than filming the most PG sex your network can afford. The sex isn't even necessary, just show a kiss then cut then show some ruffled clothes, a held gaze, some visual metaphors. At least that makes the viewer pay attention instead of this trite, telling sex act we see repeated ad infinitum.

More importantly, I'm kind of done with Darkh, and I fear he's undergoing the same Badass Decay that Merlyn did.

edited 9th Oct '17 8:11:46 PM by Soble

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#3448: Oct 9th 2017 at 8:04:27 PM

Most cable networks are still stuck in the '90s when it comes to broadcast standards, with the blanks on these kinds of shows being filled in by fanfics. (shrug) Comic books really are the new soap operas.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#3449: Oct 9th 2017 at 8:19:17 PM

"You three released a giant sabretooth tiger?"

"If I die today because of a telepathic gorilla, I'm going to be very upset."

"That corpse you buried was a vampire from the future, you idiot!"

Consider me pumped!

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#3450: Oct 9th 2017 at 8:31:47 PM

Embedding this because I missed it when it was just a link:

...Yeah, this is probably the SF show where I'm most looking forward to a new episode right now, if I'm really being honest grin


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