Yugioh Card Pages

Okay, simply put, here's what's going on with them.

The original second-series Yugioh has undergone an expansion over the last few months, resulting in the creation of Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards and Yu Gi Oh Other Gaming Pieces. Many of these cards are comparatively irrelevant out of their series of origin, but are iconic for the series or story important in some way.

The catch is, the love shown for the original series that led to the creation of those two pages, has not been shown to the spin-offs. GX has a single page at Yu Gi Oh GX Cards, 5Ds just has a folder on the overall character page, and Ze Xal and ARC-V have nothing.

Additionally, there is Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Game. This covers all the archetypes of the real-life card game. The catch is there is obviously some overlap, because many of the archetypes important to the anime/manga got support cards to them after their series of origin concluded. So, we can cover Cyber Dragon in regard to their role in GX, but there's also Cyber Dragon's profile for the real-life card game, which is different because it got a lot of new cards for its series after GX ended.

I've created Yu Gi Oh Cards as a jumping-on point try to clean up all this. This sandbox, which is not the final name, covers the most important cards to the stories of the anime and manga. Also, the Sandbox is a work in progress, it still needs work but it's a start.

The way I see it, we have a few options:

1 - Scale back our coverage of the anime cards on their individual pages, vaping the two linked pages covering its monsters, because again, outside of the original series those cards/monsters not moved onto the new page have no relevance. The Sandbox page is implemented to replace them.

2 - Keep the coverage on the same level, create the Sandbox page for important overarcing cards, and leave the anime exclusive pages for cards important to that anime. Then we hope someone expands coverage for the spin-offs to a comparable level.

3 - Implement the Sandbox page with one of the above two options, and all coverage for them on the TCG archetypes pages is moved over from those pages to the Sandbox page.

4 - Implement the Sandbox page and keep the anime/manga and TCG profiles for archetypes, with appropriate tropes, separate. IE, the page covering the anime cards can cover Cyber Dragon in the anime, the TCG page can cover Dragon Dragon in the card game.

5 - Vape all anime card page lists and merge the most important ones (namely, the ones in the Sandbox) into the TCG pages.

Also, if the new Sandbox page is too large (and it may be if other users expand it) then perhaps we will need to go back to one page per anime series, but at the moment I don't think it's large enough.

edited 10th Apr '15 6:03:45 PM by DrakeClawfang

So much for that. :/

I think TabletopGame.Duel Monsters should be troped separately from the Yu-Gi-Oh! series because of the crossover issues.

TabletopGame.Yu Gi Oh should be organized like TableTopGame.Magic The Gathering, because they're both collectible card games.

That's really not relevant to what I'm bringing up here. I'm not talking about the main TCG page, I mean the character pages.

There are two different card games here.

TabletopGame.Duel Monsters (the game that generated the "character" page) and TabletopGame.Yu Gi Oh (the game played in Real Life) are different games.

I'm telling you that Duel Monsters shouldn't be considered a stub of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Manga/Anime, and should instead be troped independently. Our site does allow to create pages for a Work within a Work.

So what are you proposing with regards to the topic? I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. Do you mean like, the anime card pages should only cover the cards in regards to the anime, and their role in the TCG is a separate profile on that page? If so, okay, but then how do we organize the anime pages?

edited 14th Apr '15 8:42:59 AM by DrakeClawfang

I'm saying Characters.Yu Gi Oh Cards and Characters.Yu Gi Oh GX Cards are tropes that occur in Duel Monsters.

Duel Monsters shouldn't be considered a stub of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Manga/Anime, and should instead be troped independently.

edited 14th Apr '15 10:35:30 AM by crazysamaritan

Splitting the TCG and Duel Monsters page is not what this topic is about, and you have provided no input on what I have actually tried to discuss. Make a Sandbox for Duel Monsters and create a topic for it. In the meantime, do you or anyone else have opinions on the character pages?

edited 14th Apr '15 8:44:54 PM by DrakeClawfang

I didn't say anything about splitting the Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG and the Duel Monsters game because those are already split.

The TCG card tropes and the anime card tropes should probably be kept separate. The anime doesn't always use every card in an archetype and cards' roles in the anime don't always apply to the TCG's lore.

If one page is enough for all the anime's important cards, then I can't really think of any reason why we would need a page for each anime's cards.

edited 15th Apr '15 8:56:31 PM by kamiryu

Okay, this weekend I'll move the sandbox to the mainspace and reorganize the other pages accordingly. Anime-important cards will have separate profiles from the TCG cards and tropes exclusive to one or the other shall be divied up.

Where exactly did you put the content of Characters.Yu Gi Oh Other Gaming Pieces? The page was cut, and now I can't find its content.

Edit: Septimus Heap restored it at Sandbox.Yu Gi Oh Other Gaming Pieces 2. My plan will be to move the page to Characters.Yu Gi Oh Gaming Pieces and put a link on that page to Characters.Yu Gi Oh Anime And Manga Cards. I'll have the link to Characters.Yu Gi Oh Gaming Pieces on Characters.Yu Gi Oh Original Series since they play other games than Duel Monsters.

edited 26th Apr '15 10:45:39 AM by SatoshiBakura

Works for me. I personally don't see the need to note them but I'm not gonna argue over it, there's no harm in keeping it if folks want it.

On a related topic, do you know much about the spin-offs to expand their profiles on the Anime and Manga Card pages?

I'll certainly look into doing it. By the way, we need to put Kuriboh on there. That cute/annoying little fluff ball I feel is too prominent to leave out.

Very true.