Duplicate Image: Deaths Hourglass

Shared with Your Days Are Numbered.

The pic on Death's Hourglass was chosen here; the pic on Your Days Are Numbered was added about 6 months later without a thread.

Honestly I think the single panel on Your Days Are Numbered would work better on Death's Hourglass.

Or maybe go for another metaphor with a literal hourglass◊?

I think it works better on Death's Hourglass. It's clearer with two panels, but I'm not sure whether it's clear enough with just one.

Literal images are almost always worse than other variations, since they often bring in some manner of confusion. Also, just having an hourglass is JAFAAC or nearly so.

edited 30th Mar '15 4:17:57 PM by AnotherDuck

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Discworld's Death with an hourglass?◊

At this point, I think moving this to Death's Hourglass and changing Your Days Are Numbered would be best.

Sticking with Death from Discworld, what about this◊? Comes complete with the names of their respective person; making their purpose unambiguous.

The image on the Death's Hourglass article is excellent. That's exactly what the trope is about, and it doesn't depict any literal hourglasses, which might be confusing.

I would much rather change the page image for Your Days Are Numbered.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

I like it as Death's Hourglass and vote we change Your Days Are Numbered as well.

Ditto

I'm inclined to agree with changing Your Days Are Numbered. The last panel or two of this, perhaps?

A little bit of a talking heads syndrome, other than her getting emotional about it.

edited 30th Mar '15 9:13:01 PM by AnotherDuck

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Agree with keeping image on the Death page.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Results from a quick Google Image Search on "Death Hourglass" 1. May have copyright issues, but it's a good image. 2. Illustrates the trope well and I'm leaning toward it. Scroll about a quarter the way down the page to see the image. 3. May be a bit too gory for TVTropes, but it also illustrates the trope well.

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/95541802/death-patch-es-handmade-mature-violence

https://charlikerns.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/the-time-we-have-left/

http://imgur.com/miFQBEm

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I like 14.3

The Death's Hourglass trope works better without a literal hourglass. The trope is not hourglass-specific, so to all from ^^.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I never understand this argument - that just because a certain word is in a trope's name somehow making it an inelligible/unsuitable candidate for the trope image. To say that people might think the trope is specifically constrained to that one item is deliberately misinterpreting the illustration.

Are we assuming that TV Tropes' Viewers Are Morons and are unable/unwilling to read the article or Laconic?

Experience tells me people will often believe what they believe the first they spot the trope, no matter what's actually written in the description. A literal image will reinforce an impression based on the name of the trope. It's not necessarily something bad, but often the real meaning of the trope isn't the literal one. In those cases, having a literal image will most likely aid the confusion and misuse of the trope.

Of course, most people will get it right and read the description, but the problem comes from those who do have trouble with instructions and do things on their own whims.

edited 4th Apr '15 4:27:59 AM by AnotherDuck

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That's their problem, not the trope's or the image's.

Personally, I vote for one of the images in 14. Either 14.2 or 14.3 would be great. Although the current is not bad.

edited 4th Apr '15 4:32:11 AM by WackyPancake

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Regarding the objections to a literal hourglass, I can't imagine anything else which would illustrate the trope adequately.

It takes less effort to sit around cursing the darkness than it does to get up and turn on a light. If you don't think any of the suggestions are suitable then you should suggest a picture.

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That's not a helpful attitude to have here. Clarity is the primary concern of images.

Let's See YOU Do Better! isn't helpful either.

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It's a clear, cool looking image though.

Rejecting a good image entirely because of assumptions that people are going to be stupid and interpret the trope literally is a very silly thing to do. It's not hard to read the description or to know that the image is meant to be symbolic. Viewers are not morons, and if they are, well, as I've said, it's their problem.

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."

Use less strawmen, please.

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I don't see how what WackyPancake said constitutes as a strawman argument.

More to the point, when a person makes a claim, it should be the claimant's responsibility to present evidence of the fact, and not others to refute it. Meaning, if one is going to make an argument that people are going to misconstrue the meaning of the trope should a literal example be used, one needs to provide evidence - at the very least a single instance - of it being the case; specific to this trope. If no one has misunderstood the trope, then having a literal image is not going to lead to misunderstanding.

Or to rephrase my original argument - while a literal example would not be the perfect choice for the article's illustration, neither is it grounds for an automatic rejection.

This is a strawman because no one has rejected those images entirely for that reason, nor has anyone called people stupid for not intereting something as intended. It's exaggerating an argument to make it sound worse and therefore easier to refute.

It's for obvious reasons hard to provide evidence for something that could not have happened, because that situation has not existed. There has not been a literal image on that page, so there couldn't have been a misunderstanding because of a literal image. Therefore it's reasonable to draw from experiences of similar cases, and there we've had that problem before.

For this page, according to your argument, if there has been no proof of the image causing misuse of the trope, it means the current image is perfectly serviceable, and should not be replaced by a literal image. So please do provide proof that the current image needs to be replaced.

The problem with that argument is that there's already a better suggestion for the page. The original image, which has been preferred by everyone who has rejected the literal ones.

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