New DuckTales Animated Series

Yeah, that's not how that works.

If you say so, maybe you can help me complete their entries, giving reasons why you think that Bubba, Tootsie and D'jinn are wasted characters.

That's not how it works. Either you fill out a complete example of how a character fits the trope, or you don't add the entry at all. You could end up getting warnings or suspensions for improper editing.

Yeah, if you have to fish for reasons why a character fits an entry, don't do it. Even on the YMMV page. Especially on the YMMV page, tbh.

Some actors from Doctor Who voice the characters here (Scrooge, Matilda, Magica), and the final twist refers to the episode "The Doctor's Daughter". Therefore, I would like to speculate on what the show would look like if Russell T Davies or Steven Moffat worked on it.

Actually, Moffat's style is somewhat similar to what we saw in the series. There is a great emphasis on humor, the plot prevails over the characters. A lot of deconstructions.And Moffat doesn't kill his characters very often either. And his central characters are sociopaths with a hearts of gold: Sherlock, River Song, the Doctor (to some extent). The Duck family, although softer, is also quite self-centered, focused on themselves. The exceptions are Webby and Donald. And then, in the end, the latter just learns to live for himself (reasonable selfishness). I think Moffat would have made the plot more confusing. He likes mystery.

Davies, on the other hand, would certainly have turned the level of drama and sincerity to the maximum. He would focus primarily on the personalities of the Duck family, their friends and enemies. He would have added new locations and characters to a minimum, and would have focused more on rethinking the old ones. The same storyline with Della Duck would have turned out to be more tragic for him. Perhaps his work would have looked like Gargoyles. He would not hesitate to kill any of the antagonists or minor characters.

And both, in my opinion, raised the question of whether the main characters are good people (well, birds). After all, like the Doctor, their actions sometimes lead to bad consequences.

What do you think?

Edited by bn2000 on Mar 6th 2024 at 10:56:01 AM

Seeing that this thread is a little dusty, what do you guys think of my theory of Pepper being Webby's mom?

Kinda jossed by how the series finale reveals Webby is Scrooge's clone daughter, so Pepper isn't Webby's mom.

You didn't fully read my theory? After all, at the beginning I wrote that it combines what happened in the finale with the original theory of Pepper being Webby's mom. Plus, Webby being Scrooge clone is a Common Knowledge since she is never called a clone in episode itself.

I'm just here to comment that Keith David was the absolute perfect voice they could have chosen for Manny, indisputably the single greatest character in this entire show, and not in any way, shape or form wasted. They tool so long to give Manny a voice, because Manny is just that good.

Actually, Webby is very explicitly Scrooge's clone, so there is no question of parentage there.

I don't want to be rude to you, but read Common Knowledge on the YMMV page of the The Last Adventure where is said that Webby isn't a clone of Scrooge.

Edited by Filip04 on Mar 24th 2024 at 8:52:15 PM

They don't use the word "clone" in the episode, but Webby was artificially created from Scrooge's genetic material, with no other person's genetic material involved.

EDIT: It's actually not clear whether any other person't genetic material was involved or not.

Edited by Snicka on Mar 24th 2024 at 9:34:59 AM

Read it, and that feels like a bad entry (also, next time, if you want people navigate to a very specific page, please provide a link).

Paraphrased: "it's written like cloning, so people presume it's cloning, but the creators of the series have never used the word cloning specifically, so maybe it's not cloning" - which seems like a bit of a stretch regarding what Common Knowledge is meant to be about.

I agree that seems like a bad entry. Perhaps they didn't use the word clone, but cloning is clearly what was intended. The absence of the term does not mean the absence of the situation.

I still think she's isn't Scrooge clone, plus, you can fix this entry because I don't see anything wrong with it so I think it could stay.

For clarity, does someone want to look up the exact words that were used?

Edited by WillKeaton on Mar 24th 2024 at 5:38:16 AM

Honestly, I think this is just a lot of quibbling from fans who don't like the idea of Webby being a clone. The writers clearly intended her to be a clone, with the whole "she's actually Scrooge's daughter" stuff, and how they kept giving her Scroogey traits in the season leading up to that.

Common Knowledge is for when fanbases or audiences assume things about a series that are misconceptions, but popular misconceptions, despite either the series itself not being that way or WOG clarifying that it's a misconception.

When the writing actually reads a certain way, and the writers have just not totally confirmed it, that's not Common Knowledge. Especially since the entry is basically just arguing semantics.

So yeah, it's a bad entry and should be removed.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 24th 2024 at 11:15:49 AM

You could absolutely see Pepper being Webby's mom...if she was used as a surrogate, but that's only in terms of human birthing as ducks in this universe explicitly birth through eggs.

Or you could use the classic cartoons trope of where whoever sits on an egg is a mother of the eggs.

Considering how much of a Mad Scientist Black Heron is, I doubt she would use someone else's genetic material other than her own.

Also, how old is Pepper? Would she have even been in FOWL at the time of Webby's birth? And even if she was, I highly doubt she would have been high enough on the totem pole for her genetic material to be used for cloning Webby if it was ever considered.

As I said in my post that kickstarted this discussion: that's just a theory. A duck theory! Plus, I tried to coherently combine what happened in the finale with the original theory of Pepper being Webby mom.

There is zero proof of Pepper being Webby's mom. That's just a haedcanon that some fans like. That's fine, but don't treat it as anything more than that.

It is already brought up on the WMG page that Webby may be a Test Tube Baby rather than an Opposite-Sex Clone, since May and June are referred to as Webby's clones but Webby is never referred to as Scrooge's clone but rather his "daughter", and F.O.W.L. needed a "descendant", not a copy, of Scrooge to access the papyrus. If that's the case, they may have needed an egg donor, though it is unlikely that it was Pepper.

That's still WMG, though. Again, there is nothing in canon to support this, while there is a lot to support the idea that she is a clone.

I mean, I also thought Pepper was Webby's mom before the finale, but I think the clone thing is what the show's actually going for.

I always compare the Ducktales finale to Batman Beyond's, because they have very similar endings.

Yeah, but did you think that because of something in the show, or because that was brought up here or elsewhere in the fandom? Back when she first showed up, that idea was brought up as a potential interesting direction for the show, but I think people are now confusing it for something the show actually wanted to suggest after the fact.

It was a nice idea back then that would have been much better than the Scrooge Clone thing, sure, but that's all it is.