Duplicate Trope: Magazine Decay

Already discussed here.

Magazine Decay is Network Decay, but for magazines, as that's the one form of media that needed its own page for whatever reason. The Same But More Specific. The two pages are on different tabs though. Which ever tab magazine decay is put on, should be the same as network decay. At most, it should be a single proposition crowner but as said, it's already been discussed.

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Opening this up for discussion. I am mainly concerned with usage - 37 wicks is a wee bit little.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

So I'm guessing there would be no point in having an Index simply for the Decay Tropes? Something like This Index Is Decaying?

(Annoyed grunt)

A hardly used trope that is possibly a duplicate? Sounds ripe for the plucking to me.

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The low wick count is probably because magazines don't have trope pages to the same extent as works. There are a ton of black titles there. The page itself it sizeable enough. "Hardly used" isn't so much a misrepresentation as an outright lie.

Technically, it's an objective trope, but how people handle it is a different thing.

Mostly though, it's the same trope as Network Decay, and more specifically NetworkDecay.Influences On Other Media, but due to the size I don't see a problem in it having its own page.

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Banners are different. They are on different tabs. That's the issue at hand. The only reason I didn't take it to the repair shop sooner is because there is no option for changing the tab, that used to be what wiki talk is for but don't you just love when a website grows beyond the bounds of what it was originally intended to cover? Our growing pains are a symptom of network decay all its own? Perhaps there should be a page for websites?

Point being, it's just a long section of "Network Decay Other Media". If we make a page for websites, it would be on the same tab as Network decay, as magazine decay should be. So which one are they going to have? It is a trope, not a storytelling trope, not a trope as the website defines it, but in the most basic sense it works for an idiom of an actual occurrence. I can live with them on the main tab. Maybe they should just go to trivia, hey, TV tropes was born out of a Buffy The Vampire Slayer fansite, that's trivia. I'll except it on that tab. Your Mileage May Vary, well somehow magazine decay got there and Network Decay did not. Well I suppose your mileage may vary on whether a change results in "decay" or "enhancement". I've yet to leave any links to the pages where I used "decay" in the negative sense but agree some of the examples listed by others were changes for the worse. So pick one! Crowner?

edited 15th Jan '15 1:34:57 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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I'm not really familiar with the Magazine Decay page. As far as Network Decay goes, the page is broken up so much from 'slipped' to 'total abandonment' and all the options in between. I think we can take Network Decay and split it into two different tropes.

1. Network Drift - a main namespace trope of networks who's programming has changed genre and style, in many cases rendering an artifact title.

2. Network Decay - a YMMV trope of networks that arguably have made a shift that has cost them quality. For example, History going from real historical programming to Speculative Documentaries/Documentaries of Lies such as Ancient Aliens.

Doing this would also allow us to fold the many sub-pages of Network Decay into an easier to browse format. Magazine Decay would be folded in to these new tropes as applicable, since it is the same concepts, just a different media.

That is the most concise and reasonable approach I've seen to this issue. I'm in favour of that change.

edited 29th Jan '15 11:55:23 AM by crazysamaritan

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I don't think we should have a special subtrope just for Complaining. Just leave out the quality judgement.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

The current acticle contains the YMMV content already, I don't see it as Complaining if approached properly, like any YMMV trope. I think right now we have the two mixed which hurts the whole trope's credibility, my solution I think would resolve that.

Yes, well, that's the problem with it.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

But it also contains a lot of non-YMMV content as well. Which is why I proposed splitting it.

We don't want the Complaining on another page. We don't want it anywhere. If we're going to go through the article and separate out the natter from the legitimate examples, we delete the natter. That stuff's toxic. Kill it with fire.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Complaining is one thing, YMMV opinion is another. Unless you're claiming they are one and the same, in which case, we should get rid of YMMV altogether then.

Clock is set.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I started a crowner since the clock is on and no consensus has been reached. Hope that's ok.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/MagazineDecay

Hooked it, although I'll note that the ideas of changing Network Decay seem a bit out of scope (nevermind would involve a large workload).

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I know, I put every option that was mentioned in the discussion for fairness. I'm certainly willing to help with whichever option is selected.

Is there anyone willing to do the leg work for the "Merge Magazine Decay with Network Decay, but then split Network Decay into two tropes; Network Drift for factual changes in genre and Network Decay as a YMMV for perceived declines in quality. " option? I would vote for that but that is a lot of work.

I would definitely be willing.

Called crowner in favour of merging Magazine Decay with Network Decay.

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Merge still needs to get done.

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if we are to merge the Magazine Decay examples into the subpages, we may need to sort them by how they deviate from the original, because importing all the examples under Influences will make the page too long, as that subpage is above 200k, while the magazine page is about 120k. Anyone up to do this?

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~Berrenta: The page would not be too long by my assessment. If it grows larger to the point of tripping the size limits, the tropers in the "long page" thread can split it later.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Okay then. If that's the case, I won't mind.

Now to figure out how to merge the pages together...

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