Ambiguous Name: What Measure Is A Humanoid

Let's play "guess the trope." What Measure Is a Humanoid? is a snowclone of What Measure Is an Index?, so you'd think it'd be about a humanoid not being afforded the same rights as non-humanoids (not unlike a reversed What Measure Is a Non-Human?).

The trope? An Interspecies Romance is treated as acceptable if the non-human looks human.

Admittedly, I'm not finding a lot of misuse, but with only 20 wicks it seems underused since it should apply to any romance between a Human Alien and a human. That said, the examples on the page are exclusively about shapeshifting to/from a human-like form, while examples off the page are mostly about Human Aliens.

Opening. Acceptable Humanoid Romance?

Acceptably Humanloid Lover?

And what of the issue of Human Aliens and the life counting? I'd like to add things like Dragon Ball Z or Superman in, but the fact they're not already there gives me pause.

edited 30th Oct '14 11:40:29 AM by Larkmarn

Those arnt an example. This trope is

• Human x Humanoid is ok
• Human x non-humanoid not ok

You have to have both.

An example on the list I know well would be the Yes Pretty Cure 5 one, the MC has a romance with the show's Mascot but the Mascot is a shapeshifter and the romance is only on when he is in human form not fairy form.

In that case, there needs to be a ridiculously massive cleanup because that's not reflected by the description or the examples.

Most of the examples seem fine.

'Non-human transforming into a human or having an illusion to appear human for the romance or just sex' is valid too.

Superman is a Human Alien and does not transform to get laid.

edited 30th Oct '14 12:31:32 PM by Memers

Again, there's nothing on the page one way or the other to indicate that's the trope.

That is what I got reading the description, 'Humanoid on x Human: ok, Non-Humanoid on Human: not ok' and while it doesn't quite specify IMO it really it's gotta have both aspects represented, in some way, because we have other tropes for that. A lot of the robot examples do not have the latter.

On the topic of a rename what about 'Its Humanoid So It Is OK'?

edited 30th Oct '14 1:41:35 PM by Memers

Humanoid Relations?

I'm inclined to agree that this is fundamentally a trope about shapeshifting and the like, and shouldn't be expanded to cover Human Aliens.

I don't think it should be limited to just "Humanity Ensues, now you're ok to romance a human", but yeah, I believe the point is the "non-humanoids with a human is squick" and not "humanoids with humans is okay".

it can be either that the nonhumanoid will undergo Humanity Ensues, or it could be pointed out In-Universe that Bestiality Is Depraved unless they look humanoid.

Either way, we'll need a rewrite clarifying it.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I sorta think there's two tropes at work here:

• Transforming For Love (or sex)
• Interspecies Romance isn't squicky if it's human-on-humanoid

And any way you cut it, What Measure Is a Humanoid? is an awful name for either/both.

edited 31st Oct '14 6:02:39 AM by Larkmarn

Oh I am in complete agreement over the name, it just does not work.

Yup.

I'd say there's two tropes as well, except I'm not sure whether there's really examples of the second one except at a meta level.

@9 I really like Humanoid Relations

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