Ambiguous Name: Authority Equals Asskicking & Asskicking Equals Authority

If it's supposedly confusing I suggest making it clear it is confusing outside some people in this thread.

I am about half way done with a 50 count wiki check of Authority Equals Asskicking and have found only one bad example in Supreme Commander where it is more the idea is back tracked rather than confusing with Asskicking Equals Authority.

Sorry for not having more done. Life and work have happened.

edited 17th Oct '14 8:50:25 PM by isoycrazy

Clock is set.

I don't know if this is the proper format

Asskicking Equals Authority wick check shows several ZC Es and a few bad examples because they don't mention the person's strength in context to others.

For Authority Equals Asskicking, there were some more ZC Es and some put with the above as though the person didn't know which truly applied. One instance was here: Resident Evil Roleplaying

If the purpose was to determine ambiguity between the two and if some confused them, there seems to be minor switching.

That said, the ambiguity and requiring to check the exact definition to know which trope should apply to a situation seems to necessitate a change in the names of these tropes.

And sorry for not getting back to this sooner. Life was keeping me busy.

How to Do a Wick Check:

For each article where you found a wick, copy and paste the line/sentence it appeared in (this allows other users to double-check your results) and state (preferably in bold) which side of the case it weighs on. Conclude your findings with the relevant statistics.

An alternate method of posting results is to sort the results by verdict so that e.g. all "correct" wicks are organized in one list and all "misuse" wicks are organized in a second list. This makes the results easier to visualize at a glance, unfortunately it takes a lot more work to do it this way.

Dang. Missed that part. Thank goodness for history.

If I don't get the wick check complete by the end of the clock, does that mean I cannot try this argument again?

Authority Equals Ass Kicking seems like it would blend in with Sorting Algorithm of Evil a lot

I don't see the problem. Someone reading Asskicking Equals Authority will process it as "asskicking", "equals" and then "authority". This subconsciously implies a causation where it's the asskicking that leads to the authority and not the other way around. I think the actual meaning of the name "equals" is less important in that context.

I think they should be renamed "From Authority Comes Asskicking" for Authority Equals Asskicking and "From Asskicking Comes Authority" for Asskicking Equals Authority.

I agree here. The problem is really all of us math people who know that "equals" means "the same as". Even in normal English, the term "equal" has nothing to do with causation and everything to do with equivalence.

Seconded

Considering that we still don't have any evidence that there's an actual problem here, I disagree. A minor tweak to wording that won't even affect alphabetization is one thing. Major name changes need a better reason than "whoops, turns out it's possible for the name to be misinterpreted."

Thirded.

Gonna oppose mainly on the grounds that it's a 3000+ wicks work and with little empirical basis.

If the names really are a problem, there should be a significant number of examples under one trope that belong under the other and vice versa. I still haven't seen any evidence of such.

The reason I want a name change isn't because people will get confused, but rather proper English is Serious Business. "Equals" means "same as", not "from this comes...".

as much as I love proper grammar and vocabulary, I must say that so long as the names don't attract misuse, they can be left as it is. (That's why I said long ago that "we're fucking researchers".)

At least with that in mind, we have to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

Re-clocking.

Clock is up with no progress; closing.