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#701: Jan 13th 2017 at 1:25:08 AM

Vlad's approal ratings are high enough in his own country that he doesn't need much effort there. 'sides, these foreign operations aren't all that costly.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#702: Jan 13th 2017 at 1:37:08 AM

[up] Yeah, those Macedonian brats think too small.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#703: Jan 13th 2017 at 3:42:38 AM

In response to the sighting of Le Pen at Mount Doom Trump Tower: An Existential Moment for the Euro-American Alliance.

"We are following a foreign policy which is the outward expression of the democratic faith we profess. We are doing what we can to encourage free states and free peoples throughout the world, to aid the suffering and afflicted in foreign lands, and to strengthen democratic nations against aggression."

— Harry S. Truman, State of the Union, 1949

Since President Truman spoke those words nearly 70 years ago, every successive U.S. president has, consciously or otherwise, taken them to heart. The ideas that the United States should "strengthen democratic nations against aggression" and maintain a network of "free states and free peoples" around the world led to the creation of powerful alliances in Asia, as well as a whole host of transatlantic and European institutions that have kept Europe safe, free, prosperous and allied with the United States: the North Atlantic Treaty Alliance, the Council of Europe, the European Union. Some of these institutions came with costs for the United States, but because they are the bedrock of American power in the world — because America's allies promote American values and its interests around the world — no U.S. administration in seven decades has ever sought to undermine them.

When Donald Trump is inaugurated this month, that will no longer be the case. Trump has made clear that he is no longer interested in promoting America's "democratic faith," or an America that maintains a special relationship with "free states and free peoples." We already know that he envisions, instead, an America that does deals in the name of a narrowly defined national interest. But will he go further than that?

In the past few weeks, some of America's oldest and closest allies in Europe have begun to fear that Trump's White House may not just neglect them, which has happened often enough in the past, but actually seek to undermine them and their institutions. The link between Trump, his senior counselor and chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon and Breitbart News, the website Bannon was running until he went to work for Trump, is what worries them most. Flush from its success in the United States, Breitbart now seeks to monetize anti-immigration and racist sentiment in Europe, too, promoting it, selling it and using it to elect populist politicians who are just as skeptical of NATO as Trump, and who will do their best to destroy the European Union as well.

First up are Germany and France, where Breitbart has announced, in advance of imminent German and French elections, that it intends to open new German- and French-language websites. The worldview of these future sites can be predicted: Breitbart has produced gushing coverage of the National Front, the radical right-wing French political party that is openly funded by Russian money and that advocates, among other things, the end of NATO and a French withdrawal from the European Union. Soon after the U.S. election, Marion Marachal-Le Pen, niece of Marine Le Pen, the National Front leader, tweeted, "I answer yes to the invitation of Stephen Bannon, CEO of @realDonaldTrump presidential campaign, to work together."

Breitbart also frequently and approvingly quotes the Alternative for Germany (AfD), Germany's new anti-immigration party, producing banner headlines and articles composed entirely of attacks on Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. Does Bannon support the rapid growth of the AfD as well as the National Front? It too has leaders who express admiration for Russia, deep dislike of the United States and skepticism of NATO.

More to the point, does Trump support anti-American politicians? We don't know, but there are reasons he might. The answer could lie in Bannon's nihilism, in Trump's own stated belief in the restorative power of crisis and violence ("When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell...you'll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great") and, perhaps, in this White House's close links to Russia.

Of course the destruction of the transatlantic alliance and the European Union could cause uncertainty and a decline in living standards for Europeans, not to mention violence or real chaos. Of course instability in Europe is not in the interests of U.S. business or politics, either. But a few would benefit. Russia would once again become a major European player. Plutocrats could make money out of the disaster — hedge funds famously prefer instability. In the wake of the revolution, all kinds of unexpected people might rise to power.

Clearly there are other members of Trump's team who won't like the idea of chaos in Europe. It's hard to imagine the collapse of NATO appealing to a James N. Mattis or Rex Tillerson. But because no one knows who will have the president's ear, Merkel, in the words of one German weekly, has already started "preparing for the worst."

It's an existential moment for all of Europe's leaders, most of whom are only just beginning to grapple with the fact that Russia wants to destroy the Euro-American alliance.

A few generations after Truman, will they have to prepare for an American government that wants to do so too?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
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#704: Jan 18th 2017 at 6:34:08 AM

Macron momentum threatens French election frontrunners

In May last year, then French Economy Minister Emmanuel Macron sat down with Socialist lawmaker Christophe Sirugue in the steel town of Le Creusot and asked him to join his new political movement. He said No. Eight months on, others are saying Yes.

A political outsider who has never run for office and hopes to transcend the classic Left-Right divide, Macron suddenly seems to have a fighting chance of winning the keys to the Elysee Palace and becoming president before he turns 40.

The latest polls show him breathing down the necks of conservative frontrunner Francois Fillon and the far right's Marine Le Pen and he is drawing larger crowds than both at rallies across France.

Macron's rise is beginning to create cracks in the mainstream parties as more and more local officials disregard party orders and defect to the 39-year-old's campaign.

On the right, four former centre-right ministers have backed Macron, illustrating Fillon's struggle to rally moderates behind free-market policies harking back to former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Macron's magnetic pull is also being felt at the centre.

When the management of the small UDI party endorsed Fillon, the party's youth wing sent a furious statement announcing that their 130 elected officials and supporters would back Macron.

A "UDI Youth" sign now adorns the door of a small room at Macron's modest presidential campaign headquarters in the 15th district of the French capital.

Long-time centrist presidential hopeful Francois Bayrou, who may get about 5 percent of the vote, is facing growing calls from his base to throw in the towel and rally behind Macron.

SOCIALIST PANIC

The momentum behind Macron is starting to sow panic too in the ranks of the Socialists, who fear they have little chance of making the runoff in May after five years of uninspiring rule by President Francois Hollande.

Fifty Socialist members of parliament have already joined Macron, according to his team, defying threats of expulsion from their own party.

Even in remote regions of the country, he is attracting more people to rallies than his rivals. More than 2,000 supporters attended his event in the central city of Clermont-Ferrand this month, for example - while former Prime Minister Manuel Valls, who is gunning for the Socialist ticket, only pulled in 300 people there, according to local media.

"There's a real possibility that at some point the dyke breaks and the Socialist party starts haemorrhaging officials towards Emmanuel Macron," Jerome Sainte-Marie, head of pollster Polling Vox, told Reuters.

An Odoxa poll this month showed Macron would get 16 percent to 24 percent of votes in the first round in April, putting him within a whisker of Le Pen and Fillon.

In the latest Harris Interactive poll, 41 percent said they "trusted" Macron and he was more popular than Fillon for the first time in a December poll by Odoxa.

FRESH FACE

Macron followed a path well-trodden by the French elite, attending the prestigious Sciences Po and Ecole national d'administration (ENA) schools and then joining the finance ministry.

He then moved to investment bank Rothschild & Cie in 2008 and made a small fortune brokering a $10 billion deal between Nestle and Pfizer before joining Hollande's presidential staff and becoming economy minister in 2014.

Macron quit in November to focus on his "En Marche!", or "Onwards!", political movement which he established in April.

Written off as a presidential hopeful then, Macron has become France's most popular politician in just a few months, his image a regular feature of Paris boulevard newsstands.

Macron's popularity is an achievement in a country where many hold a disdain for the world of high finance and much of his broad popularity is down to his attempts to bridge the Left-Right divide that dominates French politics.

He made a name for himself criticising sacred cows of the French "social model" such as the 35-hour working week, iron-clad job protection and civil servants' jobs for life.

But in a country where many often end up voting for the candidate they dislike least, part of Macron's appeal can also be put down to a deep yearning for a fresh face.

He stands out in a race dominated by figures who have been sparring with each other for decades. He is a generation apart from 62-year-old former prime minister Fillon and 10 years younger than Marine Le Pen.

Many Socialist and conservative grandees have long dismissed the Macron phenomenon, deriding him as a shooting star destined to crash and burn in the run-up to the two-stage election.

But with less than 100 days to the election there is no sign yet the media frenzy around him is starting to subside.

TWO THIRDS

One Socialist MP, who declined to be named, said as many as two thirds of the party's lawmakers could swing behind Macron if the Socialists choose one of the most left-wing candidates at their primaries this month.

"Beyond the presidential election, those M Ps are getting worried that if Macron remains high in the polls and fields his own candidates in the legislatives, they're dead," he told Reuters.

Analysts warn, however, that as Macron's reform programme becomes clearer, especially on how he intends to cut public spending, the harder it will be to appeal across the spectrum.

He has yet to release a full manifesto but, aware of the need to attract left-wing voters, now says he wants to reform the 35-hour working week and the country's wealth tax, rather than scrap these emblematic Socialist policies.

"There are some real question marks hanging over him," said Celine Bracq at the Odoxa polling institute. "His popularity today will not necessarily foretell success in the presidential election."

But others are prudently hedging their bets.

Sirugue, the Socialist MP who turned down Macron in May, told Reuters that the presidential hopeful had since toned down his free-market message and was now more presentable.

"We're not poles apart," said the lawmaker, who replaced Macron at the economy ministry. "If you're asking me who I'd choose between Macron and the Right's candidates, there isn't a shadow of a doubt."

(Additional reporting by Emmanuel Jarry; editing by Richard Balmforth and David Clarke)

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#705: Jan 18th 2017 at 8:09:32 AM

[up] I'd probably vote for Macron over Fillon, but I won't forget what he did as a minister (busting workers' protections).

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#706: Jan 18th 2017 at 8:11:44 AM

While he's not perfect, he does sound infinitely preferable to Fillon's whole gut the public sector in places where gutting it makes no sense. To say nothing of the Nazi in the race.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#707: Jan 18th 2017 at 8:33:11 AM

[up] Hell will freeze over before I even consider voting for Le Pen (and I'm not talking about the towns in Norway and Michigan, which certainly freeze over every year).

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#708: Jan 18th 2017 at 9:20:21 AM

Sadly, there is this farce of a socialist primary election taking place right now, and whoever wins will get the votes from the "faithful" socialist voters. Which doesn't amount to much, but the 5-10% might be what puts Macron in third (or fourth, Mélenchon also has a good dynamic) place.

Which is why I won't vote on Sunday. The lower the participation, the higher the chance for the "winner" to end up joining either Macron or Mélenchon and reducing the odds of a right vs. far-right 2nd round. Well, "higher" is a big word, because it remains extremely unlikely, especially if one of the two Attention Whore on the line - Valls & Montebourg - are designated.

I am still 99% certain that the socialists will pick the most brutal humiliation they ever faced over giving Macron a fighting chance because politics.

On another note, I read Mélenchon's program, and I still wonder how the man can be so right on domestic policy and so wrong whenever talking about foreign affairs.

edited 18th Jan '17 9:21:33 AM by Julep

purplefishman Misanthrope Supreme from Ganzir Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#709: Jan 18th 2017 at 2:14:17 PM

Well, whether we vote in the primaries or not, they're still going to put a candidate anyway, so at least we can try to have someone who's actually left-wing as a socialist candidate for a change.

Besides, yeah, if Macron ends up in the second round, this will be a no-brainer, but until then, he's still that backstabbing, ultralibertarian condescending [AUTO-THUMPED BECAUSE HOLY CRAP] who's apparently trying to steal the title of "real life Iznogoud" from Sarkozy to my eyes. Yes, I am extremely biased against the guy. How did you guess ?

As for Mélenchon... Well, considering he's turning into another puppet of Putin (Puppetin ?) like so many others, he kind of lost any credibility he could have had.

edited 18th Jan '17 2:14:29 PM by purplefishman

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#710: Jan 18th 2017 at 2:49:37 PM

I am very confused by Putin's popularity.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#711: Jan 18th 2017 at 2:52:30 PM

[up] He's a strong white (Well, technically Asian, as Russia does take up more than a quarter of Asia) man who gives the middle finger to the rest of the world. The type of person right-wingers love.

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#712: Jan 18th 2017 at 3:12:18 PM

[up]Considering how there are some left-wingers who like him for standing up to the US, I'm pretty sure Putin can be (and is) appreciated by some politicians around the world (and not just those from so-called illiberal regimes), regardless of where they fall in the political spectrum.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#713: Jan 18th 2017 at 11:34:22 PM

Yeah, Mélenchon's reasoning is more along the lines of "I don't like the US, therefore I like Russia". Which is why I say the guy is clueless on international matters (he also uses a fair share of anti-EU rhetoric - while the EU is not perfect, right now is exactly the moment where you should let it slide and remind everyone that what we have is a thousand fucking times better than what the UK is going to have - and we don't even have the benefit of super-rich former colonies in France).

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#715: Jan 19th 2017 at 1:10:13 AM

Marine Le Pen: Crimea Was Never Ukrainian, I Will Recognize Crimea as Part of Russia

The French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen has reiterated her support for Russia's claim on Crimea in a newspaper interview in which she made another decisive tilt towards Moscow, the International Business Times reported.

With three months before France goes to the polls, the Front National leader said she recognised Crimea as being part of Russia and if elected, she would push for a dropping of sanctions against Russia which France had backed simply because it was following German orders.

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#716: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:48:11 AM

[up][up] True, but I wouldn't count Quebec just like I wouldn't count Louisiana, because the current countries never were entirely French in history anyway.

[up] Next steps are "Ukraine always was Russian", "The baltic countries were historically Russian" and "Finland was a Russian colony".

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#717: Jan 19th 2017 at 3:58:23 AM

'East Germany was illegally annexed.'

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#718: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:13:12 AM

I thought that the FN loved Germany? Or is it only the Reich?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#719: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:36:19 AM

[up] Some Russia United members kicked up a stir by claiming the FRG and GDR weren't legally reunified.

Given that we're dealing with Putin stooges...

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#720: Jan 19th 2017 at 4:55:01 AM

[up][up] Not when it's implied to be the driving force behind the EU, which it absolutely loathes.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#721: Jan 19th 2017 at 5:12:42 AM

MLP has toned down her speeches so as to bring new voters, which means that neonazi rhetoric is completely ignored, like the Reich apology (unlike her father). At best you get some nods to the Greedy Jew stereotype so she doesn't alienate her racist base.

majoraoftime Since: Jun, 2009
#722: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:54:33 AM

Isn't she trying to court Jewish voters as well?

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#723: Jan 19th 2017 at 6:59:37 AM

By hating the other kind of sémite.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#724: Jan 19th 2017 at 8:01:38 AM

The FN is very silent on Israel/Palestine matters because it's hard for them to say anything without displeasing part of their fanbase by appearing too nice to either side, but Le Pen - unsurprisingly - is clearly supporting Netanyahu and is OK with wild colony building, for example. Mostly because right now racists fear arabs more than jews, and MLP is nothing if not pragmatic.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#725: Jan 19th 2017 at 8:04:52 AM

Isn't there also a bit of history with Israel vis-a-vis France being its primary arms supplier before the U.S joined that particular party?

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.

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