Justice League: Throne Of Atlantis

On Superman/Wonder Woman; I really don't like them together because it feels incredibly contrived, and I just don't think that Clark has the same kind of chemistry with Diana the way he does with Lois. Lois can keep Supes grounded and strengthens his own bond to humanity in a way that the super powered Amazon can't, or at least should not considering her origins.

As for the movie itself, I'm so far liking the way Aquaman is being portrayed. I think he'll be fine. Mera seems good too, but my concern with her is that it seems they're changing her origin, making her be from Atlantis instead of from Xebel. It's kind of a major part of her history, though I doubt this movie or any sequels to it will ever delve into that, so it probably doesn't matter too much. Still, I would really prefer it if she was closer to her current comics counterpart, since it creates a much stronger character. The way she's being presented here is much more of the generic "soldier of Atlantis" but that's just how it seems to me as of right now.

My other concerns involve Orm and the Queen Atlanna. Orm didn't stage the missile attack in the comics, but in this it would seem that he does. This kind of turn it into an untwist and makes Orm less sympathetic, since at least in the comics he had justification. And as for Atlanna still being alive, I'm not sure what to make of it. Having Arthur's mom alive is new, much less her being the ruling Queen. I'm hoping she doesn't die, but she probably will. On the upside, I can finally get to see Arthur actually meeting his missing mom.

I am really hoping they learn from Justice League War and fix up the characteriztion of Supes and GL. Shazam isn't my favorite, but I think at the least his personality fits, more or less. Honestly, I'm kind of hoping Aquaman does something to take GL and/or Supes down a peg if they keep being jerkish. Or at least Supes, since it feels like GL learned some humility in the last movie.

In any case, I'm looking forward to there finally being Aquaman movies.

Saw it and...meh.

Really it's not all that much better than Son of Batman. The pacing is really off, villain SUCKS, and the story/plot just isn't that great, not to mention the league feeling the Worf Effect hard. War was better and Flashpoint MUCH better.

If I had to rate the newer DCA movies, it'd go Flashpoint > War > Son of Batman = Throne of Atlantis.

I liked the bit where the team was reviewing Cyborg's recording of his encounter on the sub. Sort of Group Awesome by Analysis.

edited 19th Jan '15 2:00:23 PM by Eagal

Compared to "War", the characters seemed more likable this time around, except for Batman at the beginning, but, in his defense, he was caught in the middle of something. Also, I kind of liked Orm as a villain.

I was actually bothered by the violence in this movie. There were several gory deaths, on camera. And some of them were caused by Aquaman and Mera! Yet no one calls them in on it. The League even invites him to join!

Other than that, I agree that Ocean Master (Orm, not that he's called that in the movie) was ridiculously powerful in the film. By the point he tripped up the Flash, I was facepalming. And of course, he gets taken down by Aquaman. I get they were setting him up as the Big Good, but it didn't make sense. Also, why did the Atlantean soldiers accept a recording made by their enemies as proof of Orm's guilt? Have they never heard of video tampering? Even though Mera backed it up, she was already fighting with the heroes, so technically she was a traitor.

BTW, wasn't the Super Seven a superhero cartoon show from the 70's? I'm sure there's a pun hidden there.

People bothered by the violence really? I feel like we should be passed that point. Complaining that sword cuts making people bleed.

Well it seems that Outrageous Aqua Man still has mad sharks!!

I definitely appreciate the less jerk ass Green Lantern. In fact, all of them were less jerk ass on a whole. Except for Flash, who's pretty much the same, and being that he was the least jerk ass of the original group, that's not so bad.

So, I assume that after watching this film, people will go back to thinking Aqua Man is a joke like they always do?

Fucking Super Friends.

I saw this movie and my opinion is thus: Streamlining the story made it weaker. The loving but devoted to his position king Orm from the comics was a much deeper and more enjoyable character. Aquaman was a little too much of a generic bad boy anti-hero and I just didn't even bother with the Superman/Wonder Woman scenes. I just fast forwarded through them. That said Mera was a badass, and I enjoyed the Shout-Out to brave and the bold Aquaman and the whole Shut Up, Hannibal! scene involving Black Manta because it was funny, effective, and demonstrated Heart Is an Awesome Power. Green Lantern and Captain Marvel were much better this time around also.

People bothered by the violence really? I feel like we should be passed that point. Complaining that sword cuts making people bleed.

Excuse some of us for not caring about watching gory deaths (not just violence, that's a given with most superheroes- who by the way do NOT kill). Also while comics today are mainly geared for adults, animated films still have mainly an underage audience (whether we like it or not.)

Actively pandering to Parents who say What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? is just going to prolong the attitude.

And I have no idea why this movie is receiving this criticism when War had some equally nasty eye gouging on the part of Wonder Woman.

The blood and carnage here is *way* bigger than in JL: War. And again, why is it OK for some heroes to kill? Why doesn't Superman or Batman tell Wonder Woman "That's not how we handle things now?" Isn't that the whole point of being a hero (as opposed to just being a warrior?)

Btw, I just realized that Aquaman now owns the Trident of Poseidon. Does that make him the most powerful member of the League now? How ironic. (My money is on their forgetting about it by his next appearance.)

Wonder Woman has no code against killing. She is an Amazon Warrior who spent her whole life learning how to fight and yes kill in the name of the greater good. Same with Meera. Other heroes learned differently. As such this is why some of the League killed and others did not. There is no logical reason in universe why any of the heroes have to shackle themselves from eliminating clear threats to public safety and their own lives and so nobody gives anyone any crap about it.

I felt the characterizations of the characters were much more sympathetic and I actually enjoyed the Wonder Woman and Superman scenes. I believe Atlantis is much better than War. Also the reference to John Henry had both me and my brother laughing in delighted suprise. I sincerely hope Steel shows up again.

I've watched this. It was patently meh. sort of annoyed that both this and JL: War treat Captain Marvel (Sigh, Shazam) as some non entity. Dude can rival supes in strength, and yet he's treated as... the dude who throws lightning. And he's overpowered by Ocean Master? I don't care about Poseidon's Trident. Poseidon's not associated with Lightning. You know who is? Zeus. You know what the Z in Shazam's name stands for? Seriously, the scene should've ended with Orm as a burn smear on the ground.

It's superman's arrival that makes the trenchers run, for example. The plot feels rushed. Like, I liked the whole "Lets drag the rest of the team to the meeting" bit, but the plot feels like it doesn't get started till half way in the movie, and then it's basically immediately over. The whole broadcast confession thing is telegraphed it comes as no surprise - only makes Cyborg look like an idiot for needing to be reminded what his powers are.

Also nice continuity flub. When the queen is killed, she first swims into the room with two guards/attendants. who conveniently aren't anywhere when she's murdered.

The movie also made me realize... I don't hate Aquaman, but man do I hate his rogues gallery and supporting cast. First you have the Atlanteans in general (And Ocean Master in particular) who are obsessed over people who don't even know they exist. "The humans want to destroy us!" "We can coexist" guys, you look like humans. It'd take you 2 minutes being on the surface to realize humans don't think Atlantis exists so they sure as hell aren't readying the invasion. Then you get Black Manta, who is given NO context, no origin story, no nothing, who gloats as the mastermind behind the whole plot. Like, really? We don't even know who you are what your deal is! Black Manta's basically this dude whose superpower is "owns a boat". Ocean Master is a second rate Loki. Basically imagine Loki but he and Thor never met before they tried to kill each other. Yeah. Boring.

It's in character. The Atlanteans are portrayed as dumb as rocks "Oh, Orm, you were just being accused by the queen of faking the attack on us. Yet now you say she was killed by surfacers. In her throne room. Okay. So how did they get here. And how did they leave? And why use a knife? How would they stab our queen when she's pretty much nigh-invulnerable compared to them?"

Atlanteans seem to always believe the first thing they are shown. They are just that dumb.

edited 23rd Feb '15 5:15:00 PM by CobraPrime