Disney's Star vs. the Forces of Evil

95% dead weight.

Where does he fall relative to Ron Stoppable?

More than 90% better.

To be fair, at the start Marco was useful only because Ludo's monsters were unrealistically incompetent.

edited 7th Feb '16 6:07:16 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

To be honest, they're still unrealisitcally incompetent. Toffe's the only monster who has any semblance of intelligence for the most part.

Buff Frog best Frog Dad.

Which is more important: Star taking the warnings that she has to control herself seriously, or her questioning the lies she's been fed all her life?

I might be more interested in the first one.

We got to explore the the penal school she was threatened with in the first episode. I can't shake the feeling that Star's been setup to be the rebel by people with guilty consciences. Her parents?

Personally I'd find the first one more interesting, mainly because I find personal character growth more interesting than social commentary (and also because the latter is much more likely to cause fandom drama).

Honestly I don't see why it's an either or. A character is allowed to go through different character arcs.

I find it very likely that both ideas will be addressed. They wouldn't introduce the moral ambiguity and not do anything with it.

Or maybe both at the same time, causing horrible despair event horizons to ensue.

This is still Disney, man.

This isn't the edgy Cartoon Network.

Gravity Falls disagrees.

Honestly, I think that they'll deal with it at some point, but given how silly the show typically is I can't image that they'll treat it entirely seriously either.

It'll probably be stuffed between filler episodes about burritos vs tacos or something.

Is this show still a thing or has it been canned?

It's still a thing. Next season is this Spring.

I can never tell. They never tell you anything, y'know?

Actually, in this particular case I'm pretty sure they confirmed that season 2 was in production before season 1 had even finished airing.

Season 2 was actually announced all the way back after the preview episode.

Disney is getting better at vetting shows before first airing and so slightly more predictable at supporting winning tickets.

Okay, I just caught up. I'm Cail, if we haven't met.

So, I'm having a lot of trouble sympathizing with Star. From her first appearance, she's been shown to be mindlessly destructive (There was an entire flaming city behind her!) The majority of the problems she solves are her fault in the first place. She never suffers any major consequences or even drives away any of her in-universe fanbase.

I sensed some moral ambiguity from the absolute beginning. And as of Mewnipendence Day, my sympathy has shifted entirely to the monsters, to the point where I'm not even rooting for Star anymore. She seems like a Designated Hero to me.

Also, Toffee's extreme sleaziness makes him so unsettling to me that I literally cover him with my hand whenever he comes onscreen. Intended Audience Reaction, perhaps.

edited 16th Feb '16 5:00:58 PM by Cailleach

To be fair, Star is still clearly learning. Plus, some of the problems aren't her's (hell, a couple of them were Marco's).

edited 16th Feb '16 5:15:15 PM by AdricDePsycho