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Culminus I don't culminate! Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#76: May 22nd 2014 at 3:37:58 PM

To be honest, if I were the head of Sinjiang Auto Zone, I wouldn't be so hard-pressed to make a big, military fuss over such things. If arms and guns are mobilized, the terrorists win. If they keep bombing innocent people, the authority wins. I wouldn't want to look bad trying to come across as the bully these terrorists paint me up to be, so in turn, I'll just make them look bad by having them succeed in bombing important places, just to let the people see how evil they are.

Same as usual.... Wing it.
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#77: May 22nd 2014 at 3:42:19 PM

The trouble with that strategy is that it involves letting the terrorists bomb the public, which is a complete abdication of the government's responsibility to protect the citizenry from those who would harm them. The public in that situation will tend to ask the government to protect them, which it should do. Turning the other cheek is fine, so long as you don't do it on other people's behalf.

edited 22nd May '14 3:43:00 PM by Achaemenid

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#78: May 22nd 2014 at 3:50:59 PM

These terrorists are always making baseless accusations such Chinese oppressing the local ethnicity, which doesn't help because they are composed of said ethnicity, and actively paint the bulls-eye on every Chinese and kill them afterwards. You can't just suddenly set up roadblocks and inconvenience everyone, like barging into their lives and ask questions. Although it may help tracking the terrorists down, it won't help public image. And frankly, car bomb is usually a despicable, suspicion-free attack. You can't possibly know when it hits when it comes from a group of tightly-knit racists.

Same as usual.... Wing it.
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#79: May 22nd 2014 at 3:59:49 PM

The Chinese government may ignore these attacks if it so wishes. However, a lack of retaliation will embolden the terrorists into carrying out more extensive attacks. It will also create a sense in the populace that the government is powerless to prevent them being killed. Eventually, the public will demand protection. In China, especially, that will make the government listen.

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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#80: May 22nd 2014 at 4:59:36 PM

I am always of the opinion that counter-terrorism is more closer to police work than military operations.

It's better for the PRC to tell the locals "Look, theses are criminals. They killed even the Jiang people in the latest bombing" and let the police do the work.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#81: May 22nd 2014 at 6:23:25 PM

@L

- It depends IMO if you may feel the same way. Personally, I don't feel like that towards the people since they've been very helpful during the times that I was there in Japan. If anything, the right-wing factions aka the uyoku dantais are a major problem in trying to drum up support for the imperial way of life, which many people don't appreciate.

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#82: May 22nd 2014 at 6:55:32 PM

If arms and guns are mobilized, the terrorists win. If they keep bombing innocent people, the authority wins.

Terrorists such as these win when the authority doesn't try to stop them, because often such terrorists have secession as an end-goal, and if the authority doesn't try to stop them they've basically won before they've started.

Furthermore, a government that doesn't care how many of its citizens are killed as long as that makes an abstract point is cartoonishly ineffectual and destestable.

As such, it may simply lose authority altogether. For example in Burma, U Nu's tolerance of separatists angered the military, who promptly took over. China comes down hard on terrorists because that's how such governments preserve their authority.

edited 22nd May '14 7:51:15 PM by editerguy

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#83: May 22nd 2014 at 8:38:12 PM

The Xinjiang terrorist attacks are a symptom of the underlying ethnic tension between locals and the immigrating Hans. The Chinese government has poured a lot of money into development in that region and that has attracted immigrants from other parts of China but this has also created an economic division between the richer immigrant Hans and the poorer local Uighurs. The cultural practices of the two groups are also quite different and resists integration. If the government is not seen doing something to keep a lid on things, it could lead to widescale violence between the two communities.

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#84: May 22nd 2014 at 9:34:17 PM

Quite. Non-response would be a spectacularly stupid course for the Central Committee to take.

Reuters Special Report: The power struggle behind China's corruption crackdown.

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#85: May 22nd 2014 at 9:52:42 PM

Uh, yeah. Communist party politics in China has always that feel of a complicated gang conflict to it, or maybe a Game of Thrones where you seek for influence and power...

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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#86: May 22nd 2014 at 10:48:23 PM

[up][up] Now that just confirms my theory that quite a number of the so-called corruption crack down are smoke for political take-downs. Since everyone is corrupt in the PRC high-ups of course the crime that you'll do something in if you want to bring them down is corruption.

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#91: May 28th 2014 at 4:31:08 PM

China sentences 55 to death in Xinjiang in public mass sentencing.

Local officials in China's western Xinjiang region held a public rally for the mass sentencing of criminals on Tuesday, handing out judgements for 55 people and at least three death sentences for crimes such as "violent terrorism", state media said.

The public sentencing, reminiscent of China's revolutionary era rallies, attracted a crowd of 7,000 at a sports stadium in Yining city in the northern prefecture of Yili.

Photos showed packed stadium bleachers and trucks parked on the sports field loaded with prisoners in orange vests being guarded by armed police.

The mass trial follows a similar event last week in the region where 39 people were sentenced to jail on terrorism charges.

That was quick. Looks like Beijing is electing to hit back hard.

edited 28th May '14 4:31:32 PM by Achaemenid

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#92: May 30th 2014 at 6:28:52 AM

North Korean announced, via AP I believe, that they'll conduct another investigation to make sure that aren't any Japanese kidnap victims left in Pyongyang as an attempt to jumpstart DPRK-Japanese relations again.

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#93: May 31st 2014 at 7:26:28 AM

Abe’s Attempt to Corner China Through Diplomacy.

China Blasts US for Recognizing Tiananmen Massacre.

The good news is that one of China’s most popular and militant state media outlets mentioned the 1989 Tiananmen massacre; the bad news is that it was only in the context of calling the U.S. Congress “a garbage heap” and “rascally varmints.” Yes, you read that right — “rascally varmints”.

The editorial from the state-run Global Times comes after the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution calling for the U.S. to concentrate on human rights, Internet freedom, and democracy in its future dealings with China. The resolution — which passed 379 to one — brought together the polar opposites of House Republican leader John Boehner and Democrat Nancy Pelosi, who both stood with Chinese dissidents on Thursday.

Currently, China is conducting its annual crackdown on dissent ahead of the June 4 anniversary. Arrests of journalists and dissidents mount as the 25th anniversary approaches, yesterday claiming Yu Shiwen and his wife Chen Wei for attempting to commemorate Tiananmen in Hunan Province. No one knows how many have actually been arrested, but estimates are currently around 50 — largely respected journalists and human rights activists. As previously discussed, reporters and outspoken human rights activists are dropping like flies all over the Middle Kingdom, and the House of Representatives will not slow them down.

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#94: May 31st 2014 at 7:49:00 AM

For reference, it's the comment section of this article. Online comment sections and their phenomenally low quality...

While I agree with their assessment of the House of Representatives of the US, I do so for very different reasons.

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Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#95: May 31st 2014 at 2:40:04 PM

Online comment sections and their phenomenally low quality...

True, though that one pales in comparison to the comments in Guardian articles about Ukraine.

China frets over Japanese nuclear program.

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#96: May 31st 2014 at 2:57:02 PM

[up] Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if there are probably plans for a warhead in locked very safely in a safe in the Ministry of Defence building in Tokyonote .

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#97: May 31st 2014 at 6:45:07 PM

[up]Ireland?

I'm reading this because it's interesting. I think. Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over.
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#98: May 31st 2014 at 10:06:36 PM

I'm now imaging the utter panic that would go down on the UK if the Irish ever started work on a nuclear weapons program, not because the Irish state would do anything with a nuke, but the fear or the IRA somehow getting their hands on it.

[down]True, if we had our way we'd probably take away the French's nukes. tongue

edited 31st May '14 10:27:18 PM by Silasw

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#99: May 31st 2014 at 10:19:38 PM

If you think for a second the British government would permit the existence of a nuclear-armed - or even hostile - Republic of Ireland, you have a touchingly naive view of British treaty-keeping. tongue

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