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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#1: May 3rd 2014 at 1:11:15 PM

This is (dare I say) one orphaned prince of a trope we have here. Heck, the only reason I even found it, all alone and confused as it happens, is because I specifically went searching for it.

How can we give this one a good home? It Happens All The Time, yet the description's only a single paragraph long and links to only one article, I can count in-page examples on one hand, and it's linked only by a grand total of four pages (one of them being an index, and only a high-level index at that).

edited 3rd May '14 1:11:38 PM by Stratadrake

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#2: May 3rd 2014 at 1:51:02 PM

This seems to mostly need some more wicks. It's currently so lacking that no one realises it's there.

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#3: May 3rd 2014 at 2:45:42 PM

To begin with, it's a subtrope of Rags to Royalty, right? I wonder if movement from there would be appropriate, or if it should just be merged.

Would probably also help to also put in some references in other related tropes. Really Royalty Reveal, Secret Legacy, Rightful King Returns, and Noble Fugitive would probably be relevant.

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#4: May 3rd 2014 at 3:06:32 PM

Actually, listing it as one of the styles might do some help. It's a valid common subtrope. It just was made without enough wicks to get noticed.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5: May 3rd 2014 at 5:26:19 PM

That's kinda what I was thinking. I mean, it's one of those tropes we've seen a million times, especially in classical tales. And there are many variations of the theme.

Which is the problem I'm having with it, as it's not that distinctly written. Is it only about royal babies being raised by commoners, or does it count when the switch is made as a child? Toaru Hikuushi E No Koiuta springs to mind, where the prince was give away in secret at around 5 or so (though considering the revolution there wasn't really a throne to grow up to). Does he have to come back (or try to), or is it enough to just be the legitimate heir?

Or is it just enough that it's a legitimate heir raised by commoners?

As far as the types on Rags to Royalty are written, it seems like a mix of Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, which really only seem to differ in the knowledge of being the heir or not. Or are those two about a child who went into hiding, while this is strictly about a baby being given away?

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#6: May 3rd 2014 at 9:11:24 PM

Generally this isn't about the baby being given away or put into hiding or swapped. Generally this plot is, something happens to kill baby's parents either an accident or an assassination or something. Baby is found by unknowing parents, generally with a birthmark or item or something that they're raised with. Baby grows up and discovers somehow that they're really a long lost heir to the throne.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#7: May 3rd 2014 at 10:36:59 PM

I count that as the same, though. Baby gets to new parents.

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#8: May 4th 2014 at 10:15:11 AM

You might count it as the same, but the narrative significance ends up playing out very differently if no one knows who the baby is supposed to be. The other two scenarios have someone in the know.

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#9: May 4th 2014 at 12:57:02 PM

I don't see that difference described in the trope, though.

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#10: May 4th 2014 at 1:27:17 PM

It's a crappy description with three example, and half of those aren't explained. It's only got half the trope down on paper. Of course some of the nuances are missing.

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Lakija Lakija from Chicago Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#11: May 5th 2014 at 8:55:48 PM

I vote to send this orphan back to YKTTW where it will receive the loving care it deserves. We'll nurture it till it's ready to play with the other tropes. lol

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#12: May 5th 2014 at 9:08:29 PM

You know, I think that the best idea I've heard yet.

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#13: May 6th 2014 at 3:40:59 AM

I thought I had mentioned that idea. Not opposed.

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#14: May 6th 2014 at 3:57:33 AM

Sending it back to YKTTW sounds good.

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#15: May 6th 2014 at 4:00:20 AM

Sure, so as long as we find a sponsor.

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#16: May 6th 2014 at 6:59:19 AM

This looks identical in intent to Moses in the Bullrushes. Someone made it without knowing about that other trope, since it doesn't even reference it.

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#17: May 6th 2014 at 1:59:12 PM

I think that this trope is a sub trope of the Moses trope specific to hiding away royalty or heirs to a throne or the Chosen one.

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#19: May 6th 2014 at 3:21:05 PM

Perhaps, then it should be merged into one article, and a redirect applied.

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#20: May 6th 2014 at 9:41:38 PM

[up]With only 4 inbounds?

Although I personally think this name is better, since the Trope Namer is more of an inversion of the trope itself.

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#21: May 6th 2014 at 10:59:27 PM

Whatever works, to be honest. I got no qualms about anything. lol

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#22: May 6th 2014 at 11:25:46 PM

Hmm ... Moses in the Bullrushes isn't about royalty specifically. It's about:

An infant is saved from some calamity by being cast into the hands of Fate by his parents; Fate promptly deposits the young hero with a family who will raise him up to be good, just, noble and strong.

The hero may be of royal birth but that is not part of that trope.

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#24: Jun 11th 2014 at 5:50:13 AM

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