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Not Thriving: Lost Orphaned Royalty get usage counts

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This is (dare I say) one orphaned prince of a trope we have here. Heck, the only reason I even found it, all alone and confused as it happens, is because I specifically went searching for it.

How can we give this one a good home? It Happens All the Time, yet the description's only a single paragraph long and links to only one article, I can count in-page examples on one hand, and it's linked only by a grand total of four pages (one of them being an index, and only a high-level index at that).

edited 3rd May '14 1:11:38 PM by Stratadrake

 2 shimaspawn, Sat, 3rd May '14 1:51:02 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
This seems to mostly need some more wicks. It's currently so lacking that no one realises it's there.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 3 Another Duck, Sat, 3rd May '14 2:45:42 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
To begin with, it's a subtrope of Rags to Royalty, right? I wonder if movement from there would be appropriate, or if it should just be merged.

Would probably also help to also put in some references in other related tropes. Really Royalty Reveal, Secret Legacy, Rightful King Returns, and Noble Fugitive would probably be relevant.
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 4 shimaspawn, Sat, 3rd May '14 3:06:32 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Actually, listing it as one of the styles might do some help. It's a valid common subtrope. It just was made without enough wicks to get noticed.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 5 Another Duck, Sat, 3rd May '14 5:26:19 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
That's kinda what I was thinking. I mean, it's one of those tropes we've seen a million times, especially in classical tales. And there are many variations of the theme.

Which is the problem I'm having with it, as it's not that distinctly written. Is it only about royal babies being raised by commoners, or does it count when the switch is made as a child? Toaru Hikuushi e no Koiuta springs to mind, where the prince was give away in secret at around 5 or so (though considering the revolution there wasn't really a throne to grow up to). Does he have to come back (or try to), or is it enough to just be the legitimate heir?

Or is it just enough that it's a legitimate heir raised by commoners?

As far as the types on Rags to Royalty are written, it seems like a mix of Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, which really only seem to differ in the knowledge of being the heir or not. Or are those two about a child who went into hiding, while this is strictly about a baby being given away?
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 6 shimaspawn, Sat, 3rd May '14 9:11:24 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Generally this isn't about the baby being given away or put into hiding or swapped. Generally this plot is, something happens to kill baby's parents either an accident or an assassination or something. Baby is found by unknowing parents, generally with a birthmark or item or something that they're raised with. Baby grows up and discovers somehow that they're really a long lost heir to the throne.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 7 Another Duck, Sat, 3rd May '14 10:36:59 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I count that as the same, though. Baby gets to new parents.
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 8 shimaspawn, Sun, 4th May '14 10:15:11 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
You might count it as the same, but the narrative significance ends up playing out very differently if no one knows who the baby is supposed to be. The other two scenarios have someone in the know.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 9 Another Duck, Sun, 4th May '14 12:57:02 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I don't see that difference described in the trope, though.
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 10 shimaspawn, Sun, 4th May '14 1:27:17 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
It's a crappy description with three example, and half of those aren't explained. It's only got half the trope down on paper. Of course some of the nuances are missing.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 11 Lakija, Mon, 5th May '14 8:55:48 PM from Chicago Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Lakija
I vote to send this orphan back to YKTTW where it will receive the loving care it deserves. We'll nurture it till it's ready to play with the other tropes. lol
It is what it is.
 12 shimaspawn, Mon, 5th May '14 9:08:29 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
You know, I think that the best idea I've heard yet.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 13 Another Duck, Tue, 6th May '14 3:40:59 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I thought I had mentioned that idea. Not opposed.
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 14 Willbyr, Tue, 6th May '14 3:57:33 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Sending it back to YKTTW sounds good.
 15 Septimus Heap, Tue, 6th May '14 4:00:20 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Sure, so as long as we find a sponsor.

 16 Fighteer, Tue, 6th May '14 6:59:19 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
This looks identical in intent to Moses in the Bullrushes. Someone made it without knowing about that other trope, since it doesn't even reference it.
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 17 Lakija, Tue, 6th May '14 1:59:12 PM from Chicago Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Lakija
I think that this trope is a sub trope of the Moses trope specific to hiding away royalty or heirs to a throne or the Chosen one.
It is what it is.
 18 Fighteer, Tue, 6th May '14 2:02:46 PM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
But that's exactly what Moses in the Bullrushes is. It's not a more specific trope if it's the exact same trope.

edited 6th May '14 2:03:02 PM by Fighteer

Neoclassicism, AKA the Tinkerbell school of economics.
 19 Lakija, Tue, 6th May '14 3:21:05 PM from Chicago Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Lakija
Perhaps, then it should be merged into one article, and a redirect applied.
It is what it is.
 20 the Adept Rogue, Tue, 6th May '14 9:41:38 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
[up]With only 4 inbounds?

Although I personally think this name is better, since the Trope Namer is more of an inversion of the trope itself.

 21 Lakija, Tue, 6th May '14 10:59:27 PM from Chicago Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Lakija
Whatever works, to be honest. I got no qualms about anything. lol
It is what it is.
Dragon Writer
Hmm ... Moses in the Bullrushes isn't about royalty specifically. It's about:

An infant is saved from some calamity by being cast into the hands of Fate by his parents; Fate promptly deposits the young hero with a family who will raise him up to be good, just, noble and strong.

The hero may be of royal birth but that is not part of that trope.
 23 Willbyr, Sat, 7th Jun '14 5:01:03 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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 24 Willbyr, Wed, 11th Jun '14 5:50:13 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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