Incredibles 2

actually, Bomb Voyage was a gadget-based villain. remember the explosive he threw on "Incrediboy's" cape near the beginning of the movie?

We never did find out what happened with him though. Though again, I believe all supervillains were eventually incarcerated, making the heroes obsolete in the eyes of the public.

The main problem I have with the evil counter part trope is that it feels lazy and gimmicky. Like you can't think up a unique villain so you decide to just make a evil version of the hero.

That being said though, the idea of a super villain family is interesting if you make them very difference from the Incredibles. I'm thinking a long running family producing generation after generation of super villains, with new generations replacing the older generations as they retire. Basically an old school mafia family, with super powers. This could work with there being a time skip in Incredibles 2, with Dash and Violet succeeding their parents, and give the film a strong focus on legacy.

On a side note, I like the story idea of all the super villains being incarcerated in super alcatraz before the superheros were forced to retire, and the plot being a mass prison break. Largely because it explains why the super villains didn't run rampant in the fifteen years the super heroes were absent. The problem with this story is that it would not work with there being a long time skip that many people in this thread want for Incredibles 2.

If you assume that all the Super villains were incarcerated a few years before the Super Heroes were forced to retire, then factor in the fifteen year retirement, then factor in a five to ten year time skip after the first movie, and most of the super villains put in there would probably be too old to be a threat. If they are going to go with a 'prison break' plot it should be set shortly after the events in the first movie.

Ok, since we're talking about villains and etc, I think it could be a good question to ask, Do we even need a villain?

Or, at least, someone who has big evil plans like Syndrome did?

The idea I mentioned ages ago was that all three of the kids could be aged up to Young Adult, College Student, and High Schooler and reflect different approaches, ideas, and tropes that surround super hero movies in the last ten years; Dash is a college student who plays off of Tony Stark-esque 'Snarky Womanizer' tropes. Jack-Jack is a high schooler and has a very Peter Parker 'I'm not sure exactly who I am/what kind of Super I am' thing going on. Violet, on the other hand, could play with tropes related to the criticism of female super heroes in media; i.e. Dash and Jack-Jack are interviewed about 'Do you think the Kaiju will attack again???' and then Violet gets asked what designer her super suit is which could be taken to a further extent of Violet being the Brains of the three and knowing far more about the 'villains' but she's never asked questions about it.

And, I've thought long and hard about what could be a convincing villain for this set up and character dynamics, but I can't think of that much. I suppose, if you play with the reporter/media angle, you could find a villain there maybe that;s lobbying for Supers to be shut down again. However, I think the conflict coming from Jack-Jack, Dash, and Violet trying to work through their differences and work as a team (and no stupid contrived drama for the sake of drama stuff) would seemingly work fine enough and has potential.

Read the comics Boom Studios did a few years back: Bomb Voyage went back to France for a while. Lot of villains retired, went underground or out of the country only to re-emerge when the Supers did. Xerek (unused villain from early drafts of the movie) ends up reorganizing them into a new Supervillain team that mostly end up being pawns in his grand scheme, and is implied to have been a Bigger Bad for the film as the preserved brain of a psychic super killed early in Syndrome's Omnidroid testing is one of the major components of that plan alongside a new humanoid Omnidroid model.

Come to think about it, the movie only tells us the US government outlawed its own supers, and I don't think it's ever directly stated if Syndrome killed supers from across the whole globe or only those who were active in the USA. I suppose it's possible superheroes in other countries have been active the whole time.

Wasn't Syndrome working from a dossier stolen from the NSA?

Also remember when nobody knew what the NSA was?

Before the Simpsons Movie I think.

Nah, I think Simpsons Movie was still in the time when "NSA" meant "government intelligence agency storytellers use when the FBI and CIA are either too familiar or too implausible".

I had an idea that was basically "Roy Mustang, but a French woman". And a bit of Kimblee too, I suppose.

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Nice catch but doubtful. Makes me question why the U.S. Government wouldn't just get Bob and his family relocated to a country that he could do good in instead of relocating them several times over which would undoubtedly cost the government a fortune as well as probably some illegal shenanigans.

It would present a plot hole to me why Bob either wouldn't move countries to where he could continue being a Super Hero, or why the Government wouldn't considering doing so themselves.

I mean, sure, there's stuff to object to now such as Helen being rather well adjusted to Civilian Life and etc, but a Bob and Helen from right as all this super hero lawsuit stuff is happening? I can't see the thought never crossing their minds.

Maybe foreign countries wouldn't accept supers from other republics in their own. It'd be a delicate situation comparable to locating foreign living weapons in your own sovereign grounds.

This thread is kinda old but there are rumours circulating that Syndrome will be back from the dead. I have no idea how accurate these rumours are but I really hope they don't go down that route- I consider it lazy writing when thought-to-be-dead characters are suddenly brought back.

Since Incredibles is a deconstruction I'd really like their take on Bad Powers, Bad People. Have a villain with a 'bad' power like Casting a Shadow or Walking Wasteland that thinks he's supposed to be bad. Like others have pointed out there didn't seem to be any supervillains (as in villains with actual powers) around when the superheroes were forced into hiding so there's an implication that the supers were removed after they stopped being useful (funny how the Incredibles were welcomed back with open arms when the city needed saving from Syndrome's robot). Maybe the supervillain could try and justify his crimes by pointing out that people like him are the only reason they've got jobs.

Eh, Pixar is well known for deconstructing old tired tropes cleverly. Back From The Dead is such an old cliche of the comic book genre, it might be interesting to see it deconstructed in some intelligent fashion.

TBH it's mainly me not liking Syndrome that much. I thought the idea of him was great (human tries to be a super) but he never grew on me as much as he did other people. Incredibles 2 seems to be moving away from Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl to focus more on the kids and I'd really like it if there was a new villain too.

EDIT Plus the guy got shredded by a jet engine. I have no idea how they could explain that away.

edited 21st Mar '15 7:18:48 PM by Clanger00

To quote another Disney movie:

You'd be surprised what you can live through.

Maybe he left the leftovers of his organization with the genetic material and instructions to clone him.

But the clone doesn't really have his heart into it.

Actually, scratch that, this is a very crappy idea.

Eh, unless they can think of something new to do with him, I'd prefer that we go with a new villain.

Where are these rumors coming from, anyway?

I thought the idea of him was great (human tries to be a super)

Syndrome was a Super—no normal human could build working rocket boots at a preteen age. Syndrome just had an inferiority complex about not having the "right" powers. And he wanted to be admired as a hero, but he had no damn clue what heroism was.

Even Cracked.com noticed that hey, that kid was a super genius. He should have been huge.

Well, he was huge. Rich enough to have a huge private island, limitless resources and technology beyond what other people could dream of. He just didn't want to be a hero in his own way (i.e. by mass distributing his inventions for the good of the public) but specifically in a way that would show up Mr. Incredible.

The "Syndrome is a super" thing is more fan analysis than anything - there's a good point made by it, but in-universe he's acknowledged as not being one.

He also had the problem of being in the wrong places on exactly the worst day possible and taking the completely worst possible course of action in response to the mess he got into as result.

Acknowledged in-universe by Syndrome and nobody else. Syndrome is the only one who claims that Syndrome doesn’t have "powers".

Heck, look at the context of his infamous "when everyone's super..." quote:

Mr. Incredible doesn’t say "You killed off real supers"; he says "You killed off real heroes." And Syndrome completely misses the point.

edited 22nd Mar '15 4:05:51 PM by MetaFour