Incredibles 2

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Added context due to surprise pagetopper.

edited 28th Jun '14 4:10:21 AM by tclittle

He also voiced Chuckles the clown in Toy Story 3.

Bud Lucky is still alive, Person.

Oh jeez, I am so dumb. I thought he'd passed away.

Where'd you ever get that idea?

I...don't even know.

I'd always thought The Incredibles would make a good cross with Despicable Me, since the timeframes of the two can easily fit into another considering the fact that the former takes place in the early 1960's while a flashback in the latter reveals its Villain Protagonist to be a child in 1969. If The Incredibles 2 were to take place in the 1980's, as some tropers have speculated in the past pages, Gru would be several years younger than Dash, but still relatively old and mature enough to begin his career as a super villain.

Which brings me to a theory that perhaps Gru built his career as a villain off the foundations and completed feats of Syndrome; both share a similar modus operandi, lacking actual genetic superpowers themselves while relying on their abilities to craft inventions, advanced technology, and raise up armies of Mooks/Minions to execute tasks normally difficult for a single muggle man. So basically, after Syndrome's demise at the hands of the Incredibles, his huge resources were either requisitioned by the US government or went into hiding in isolation across the globe.

We must then consider the fact that the Cold War is still on in this timeline, as M1 helmet wearing soldiers and M48 Patton tanks were seen engaging the Omnidroid in the first Incredibles film; the Soviets could have aided the remaining exiled Syndromists and provided them aid and support to maintain villainy in the Western world, and were looking for an ideal and loyal supervillain to maintain these efforts. Although presumably a US citizen, Gru, with a stated "Russian" accent and name pun of an actual Soviet intelligence department as stated by TV Tropes, basically got his start as an agent of the USSR during the height of the late Cold War.

The film could probably explain Gru's later production of his army of 1,400 minions of genetically modified corn kernels - he presumably realized that the human Mooks left over by Syndrome, despite being Genre Savvy, simply had their limits in regards to loyalty, physical endurance, and efficiency. Perhaps a small faction led by Mirage defected to the forces of good at one point at the sway of the Incredibles, prompting Gru to think about a way to "make" the perfect minions that give him an advantage over all other rival villains.

So yeah, a giant Wish Fulfillment Fantasy titled The Incredibles II: Despicable Me Year One.

edited 28th Jun '14 7:07:23 PM by FluffyMcChicken

you ain't the only one...

I never considered the possibility of The Incredibles taking place in the 80's, but we never see anything that dates it. ...However, we do know that the opening sequence has a 60's action cartoon feel to it, and the next one starts with on-screen text that reads "15 years later"....

I actually rewatched the film exactly three days ago, and I swear I recall seeing that same caption read "four years later" instead of fifteen. While the present date is never stated on screen, the famous Genre Savvy Deconstruction scene where Edna points out unfortunate accidents caused by capes has her explicitly saying dates as "*Day*, *Month*, 'Fifty #" with a grim tone that indicates that such events didn't happen that long ago in the past. The Incredibles itself does lend itself to a generic 1960's atmosphere, be it from the jazzy soundtrack, the vintage look of the automobiles, and other vehicles such as the Learjet flown by Helen and the Freeze-Frame Bonus M47 Patton tanks deployed by the army. That latter fact about the tanks, which were in US service from 1952 to the early 1960s, should be a clear background indicator about the general timeframe of the film.

edited 28th Jun '14 7:39:20 PM by FluffyMcChicken

It was fifteen years. There's no way the Parrs had three kids of those ages in just four years, unless their other superpower is growing up at three times the usual rate. You may have been confused by when Bob said that they've lived in this house for five years.

EDIT: Proof◊.

edited 28th Jun '14 9:50:03 PM by Tuckerscreator

Also, Syndrome's computer lists the date of Elastigirl's last-known superheroics in 1955. So the Superhero Relocation Act was passed within a year or two of that, so post-time-skip portion of the movie happens in the late 60s or early 70s.

It does? It looks very modern for this decade...Computers, mobiles, I just assumed that it was set in current time.

Well how do you think Syndrome built up his fortune?

Didn't the film explicitly state that he was into gun running and illegal arms dealing? I recall him saying about having many "clients".

I must admit that I was false regarding the caption, but at least I got the general timeframe of the 1960's correct.

edited 29th Jun '14 6:50:34 AM by FluffyMcChicken

I just assumed it was supposed to be set in a vague contemporary past like the first seasons of Batman The Animated Series.

edited 29th Jun '14 7:22:39 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

I recall Bird saying it takes place in the late 60's but with some tech that people at that time WISHED would exist.

Yeah, it's something akin to being what the people of the 40's and 50's imagined the future looking like.

And as well all know, the people of the 40's and 50's had some pretty out-there futuristic ideas about what the future would look like.

If their imaginations are all it would have taken, we'd probably have the makings of an interstellar Earth empire by now.

And that's all called Raygun Gothic Zee Rust pals.

So I was thinking about a plot for my imaginary Despicable Me/Incredibles crossover, and came to think that Syndrome, being Crazy-Prepared and all, would be the kind of villain to always keep spares and reserves of whatever inventions that he has; especially something as potent and effective as the Omnidroids. So while all of the attention is given to the original active Omnidroids used to battle the Supers, is there any evidence that Syndrome didn't produce spare dormant Omnidroids and stockpile them somewhere just in case?

edited 29th Jun '14 1:57:33 PM by FluffyMcChicken

If they were there, I imagine that they'd be less dangerous than the battle-tested Omnidroids, but just the fact that Syndrome would make more of them would invite them all to fulfill the other end of his master plan's codename.

I can't think of any evidence that he didn't, but I also don't see any evidence that he did, and in absence of either, this is a situation where I don't see why Syndrome would keep spare Omnidroids around since their given purpose was specifically to be destroyed if they weren't powerful enough to kill a given superhero and then build the next one based on what was learned by the destruction of the previous one.

So right off the bat, building spare Omnidroids would defeat the whole purpose of the prototype omnidroids.

Then, having additional copies of the final version wouldn't make sense since he specifically intended to destroy the one he sent to attack the city and all things considered, I see no reason why he'd keep more of the thing around since it would create a loose end that could lead back to him being responsible for the original attack and ruin everything.

So even if we do accept the head canon that he keeps spares of all his special tech, the Omnidroid I see as being something he'd be more likely to just build from scratch again if he actually needs more and only keep the plans around otherwise.

Side note: I find it amusing that I have managed to earn a place as being quoted in someone's signature line.

Then again, Syndrome did say that he kept the very best inventions to himself; it wouldn't be far fetched to say that his Omnidroids (the ones we see in the film) were the only ones to be fitted with the Skynet-esque AI, and that all others intended for sale were simply typical controllable drones with downgraded programming. In the case of the latter, there'd be little difference between the Omnidroids and the Trade Federation walkers from the Star Wars prequels other than the former's lack of the latter's laser weaponry.

Well congratulations for earning a place in someone's sig - I just thought that your blunt comment was quite spot on, as it describes that my greatest weakness as a writer online is in fact my strength for overly long posts whenever I get excited about something.

edited 29th Jun '14 10:39:17 PM by FluffyMcChicken

I can't imagine a situation where Syndrome builds Omnidroids for sale. He's trying to sell the one Omnidroid as an alien invasion of some kind which he can save the city from to become a hero, if he then turns around and sells those same Omnidroids - no matter what AI they have - it's not going to take much for people to take notice of these Omnidroids for sale with the same robot that attacked Metroburg, and suddenly he risks blowing up his entire charade.

There's no way that Syndrome is that greedy, short-sighted, or stupid. Not with all the work that went into his master plan.

edited 29th Jun '14 11:17:56 PM by TheSpaceJawa

I can imagine, however, Syndrome beating the Omnidroid and taking its remains "for further scientifical study" after the battle, then showing up a few months later with a whole battalion of Omnidroids ready for sale "for the protection of the nation". It's two birds, one stone: He becomes a hero and gets profit from it.

Does anybody else want a crossover with Megamind? Maybe a short, like Toys of Terror or Button of Doom.