Let me see. I'll point you some people you can talk to about it and who I think might be talented enough to do it. Mind that they will present you their own conditions for doing this, so be patient and accept what they tell you for what it's worth. As always, stay civil and listen to what they have to say.
http://brotherostavia.deviantart.com/
http://portabledrawer.deviantart.com/
http://colourbrand.deviantart.com/
http://bishopsteiner.deviantart.com/
http://duskymushrooms.deviantart.com/gallery/
http://muddytiger.deviantart.com/
http://kisindian.deviantart.com/
Hope you find someone who wants to work with you in this on that list. :)
edited 6th Mar '14 4:26:43 PM by Captaindavidblake
Thank you.
Just keep us updated.
On the other hand, what other things should we discuss. I still think we could do much more regarding the Abrahamic myths and the structure of the narrative. Something that truly amuses me is how unexpected the success and direction of the story were when Daneel first started working on it. :)
edited 8th Mar '14 3:37:44 PM by Captaindavidblake
That's one of the things I love about it. I love just looking back on the older stuff and seeing how much everything changed. It's also great to look at how Takato and Rika's relationship evolved. (I don't know if I've said this, but I think Tamers Forever has the most well written romance arc ever.)
I do also think their relationship is very well-made. It's sweet to see how sthey get fond of each other, and even come to akcnowledge they can't be without each other for long. And then the ending of Silent Sorrow is simply amazing. The way she deals with Takato's departure is heart-broking. Nothing of that calm acceptance of most mainstream tragic romances, but simple heart-breaking sadness and pain. That's realistic, I don't care what people might see in calm acceptance fo death, almost no-one does that. We hurt and we cry when our loved ones die, that's what happens in real life!
Now, I would say the relationship works this well from star tto fisnish for msotly two reasons, which are usually also glossed over in most mainstream media:
1 - Time! A relationship takes time and effort, and thus if we see their connection develop with time and actually develop over time, then it feels more reslistic and genuine.
2 - Lack of early planning. The fact that Daneel went headfirst into this without really knowing what he was doing might have actually helped in the portrayal of the relationship. This is because, again like in RL, things happen rather out of the blue, so ome unexpected twists and turns, and sometimes plain obstancles, only further the desire of the reader to see they come to terms and accept what they feel (that and innoportune TK's moments 
).
I won't say that it is the best ever (there's a lot of stuff out there), but it's certaily one of most engaging I've ever seen.
Finally, sorry for this long time to reply, it has been a weird week.
That's cool. Though I'm actually one of those people who DO jump straight to the acceptance stage. My Grandma was the closest person to me out of all my family, yet when she died, I didn't feel sad but instead proud that I'd been part of such an amazing woman's life.
So anyway, what do think of the whole "Prophecy" thing and how the series handled it?
I see your point, and usually I do so as well. But i know most people won't, especially someone like Rika. I try to see things through their eyes in these situations, in spite of myself.
Now, the prophecy. I don't like prophecies, most of the times. I kind of like them when used to trick people. Like political gambles and so on.
In this situation (the TF continuity) it might have a certain function in the whole acenario. After all, if God does want to be reborn it's kind of handy that people know what they have to do. On the other hand I highly dislike this types of plot points for a few important reasons:
1 - it takes away the free will of the characters. It doesn't matter that they argue that the details are up to each one, the fact is that they occupy a role, and are thus expendable once the goal is fullfilled. I hate that. No one is supposed to be expendable, that's where drama comes from. Furthermore I think the concept is rather dangerous if one thinks in applying it to real life.
2 - it takes away much of the drama, in my opinion. For example, I never cared for Takato's fate. Yes, I felt for him when he suffered (was "stigamtized"?), but I knew that, eventually, he would be okay and would become god and whatnot. The other characters I felt much more for, especially Rika, whose last stand to defend Takato was truly epic. But the fact is, I know the main character will eventually succeed, and the lack of that uneasiness take away much fo the drama (not all, after a character might still go insane or suffer other important psychological damages) - also, I do know that it is a standard point that the hero succeeds, but there are show where this works, especially shows you aren't supposed to take seriously, like morning cartoons. If you're supposed to take a story seriously, then you must face the fact that the main character(s) might not see the end of it - Madoka Magica is a great example.
3 - makes the story feel worthless. Because what the characters are doing isn't their own will, or even their own choices, but part of a pre-made plan for something. Basically the characters are tools and nothing is truly their choice. This goes further into the meta-aspect of it all, after all the author is the "god" and the plot is his "prophecy", thus the characters are indeed tools, but a story excels when you don't realize about that, or don't care to do so. Now a Prophecy plot simply brings those meta-aspects forward like a sore thumb. At least for me.
4 - if the prophecy is in fact a metaphysical thing and it gets broken in makes the creators feel dumb, because they couldn't account for the small things, that are exactly what they shold take into account. Strategical military planning is hard exactly because you have to take into account small details, like spec ops and such, and when they come forward with the explanation that the actions of a few could never be predicted, then it, albeit true, makes the prophecy itself feel pointless. I'm not saying it can't be pulled well, after all trope are tools, and, for example, in The Legacy of Kain they did it brilliantly, but the prophecy was a political ploy by the Old God and other entities to force peoples to do what they needed to feed, and even so it needed constant tweaking due to unforeseen events. Furthermore, the prophecy was never meant to be asbolute, but only to keep things going time enough for them to do their thing before moving to the next world. So this is a practical and rather cynical way to do it.
In short, the Prophecy aspect is, to me, the weakest part of the whole thing, unless the author manages to put a good spin on it. For me it becames hard to read everytime they mention it, or every time they say that something has happened because of the prophecy. Basically it makes me too aware of the fictional nature of the story, and it pulls me out of it.
As I've said before, I like TF, and I like how the characters are writen, but the prophecy is, for now, the weakest part of it for me. I'm too aware of how narratives work and I'm too attached to the concept of free will to take prophecies seriously. Actually this might be why I like the Evangelion fanfics where SEELE's plans go totally aywire (Shinji and warhammer 40.000 and Eva Possibilities and Fusion Pademonium being the most brilliant examples) - the prophecy doesn't hold at all after just a few chapters.
On the other hand, I know i'm a cynical sod for the most part, and simply can't take the concept seriously. I would like to know of your opinion, though, as I might need a counterpoint - if you do have it 
Finally, hope I don't come across as too harsh, but I'm really trying to bring my point accross without taking too much of your time. 
edited 17th Mar '14 8:27:09 PM by Captaindavidblake
Sorry about being gone for so long. I had to think hard on how to word this (and I was busy with my RP).
The thing is, I totally agree with you. Every opinion you've stated is one that I share and I agreed that the prophecy was the weakest element of the story.
At first.
You see, upon a re-read and deeper analysis, I've come to the conclusion that Tamers Forever and GOSPEL have put an interesting twist on the prophecy storyline.
To understand where I'm coming from, the first thing you need to realise is that there are, in fact, TWO prophecies in the series. One is the "Thread of Destiny". This is the closest thing to a "real" prophecy in the story, an intangible force of nature that guides the actions of everything in the universe and is inevitably leading to a horrible apocalypse.
The second is the prophecy that all the other characters talk about, the one that The Triad follows. Now the interesting thing here is that The Prophecy is actually going AGAINST the Thread Of Destiny! In fact, the reason they need Chaos in the first place is because he can go against the whims of fate.
That's right, we have TWO conflicting prophecies, how the Hell does THAT work?
Well what you must come to understand is that the prophecy that the triad speaks of is a prophecy in name only. Now there are three hints for this.
First, The Triad didn't actually KNOW that Takato was the Omni-Tamer. In fact, Goddramon actually thought it would be Ryo. This suggests that the destiny of "Omni-Tamer" wasn't a predestined fate, but rather a role that needed to be filled. Takato may have been born as the Vessel of Chaos, but it was his own decision to find the digimon that gained him the title of Omni-Tamer. And no, you can't say "Oh, but he was fated to do that!". The entire point of Takato is that he can make his own decision's regardless of what fate desires. In fact, I would hazard a guess that fate decreed that he COULDN'T cross over, that he would NEVER find his friends. And his response of: "Fuck you, I'm Takato." was the criteria the Triad needed to confirm that THIS was the Vessel of Chaos.
The second point, is that in GOSPEL, we are actually introduced to the character who wrote the Prophecy. And far from being some vague, ominescient being, xe is a fully fledged character, complete with xir own strengths, flaws, hopes, fears ect (Xe's also the most batshit insane character in the history of the universe, but that's another discussion). The fact that someone like this wrote the prophecy, suggests that it's not an inevitability, but what someone WANTS to be inevitable.
Finally, there's The Triad itself. You see, if the prophecy was inevitably fated to happen, there would be no need for their existence. Why safeguard something that will happen no matter what?
Because it's NOT inevitable, the events don't happen because they're fated to happen, they happen because The Triad is manipulating events to ENSURE that it happens. And even that doesn't work (Daemon's appearence and even Takato's death went COMPLETELY against their scenario.).
But doesn't Takeru always say how all of this is inevitable?
Well let'd take a look at Takeru as a character for a minute.
At first glance, Takeru seems very cliched as a character. He's the archetypical Mysterious Badass Loner With A Tortured Past And A Grim Outlook.
However, when you look deeper into his character, you realise that despite the Brooding Badass exterior, he's actually sort of pathetic. The reason he gives for being a borderline Straw Nihilist (his girlfriend left him, boo hoo) is complete crap, and there's a particular ly memorable scene in Silent Sorrow where one of his old friends calls him out on how much bullshit his lines of "This is inevitable" "It had to be done." are. And the interesting part? Takeru doesn't have a rebuttal! He has to change the subject. Add to that the fact that his Misanthropic outlook is COMPLETELY at odds with TF's true moral, that every single human being has the power for greatness inside them, and we realise that Takeru is actually a Deconstruction of the Brooding Badass.
So where am I going with this? Well now that we understand Takeru's character, and know that his outlook and philosophy is in fact wrong, we can analyse his statements.
This is my conclusion, The Prophecy isn't inevitable, Takeru simply THINKS it's inevitable. Or perhaps he WANTS it to be inevitable, because then he can deny what a coward he is by saying that it was all fate that made him leave his friends for a pathetic reason, it wasn't HIS fault, it was destiny's!
But this rabbit hole goes even FURTHER, stay with me now.
You see, I believe that Takeru's outlook is in fact symbolic of the true message of the series. To understand what I mean, we need to take a look at another element: "The Event Matrix"
An interesting thing about the Event Matrix, is that it's explicitly stated that the Matrix CAN NOT give accurate predictions. All it can do is calculate probability. And even that is subject to error. Now this is yet again another proof that the thread of destiny is bullshit. In a world truly ruled by fate, there would be no "Probabilities", just one inevitable truth.
Now what is the biggest cause of unpredictability? Humanity. Human decisions are impossible to predict. Free will DOES exist in the TF universe, but many people ignore it.
And now we come to the meat of this post: The Apocalypse, and what it represents. To do this, we need to analyse three things:
First: Inevitability. It's been established now, that the apocalypse ISN'T inevitable, but Takeru and the Triad THINK that it is and in this case, they may have a point. Every prediction on the Event Matrix says that it WILL happen, but as I said. The biggest influence on the matrix is human decision.
Second, let's look at the Archdemons. These guys are the beings responsible for the Apocalypse and their profiles are detailed on the GOSPEL wiki. An interesting thing to note about them is that, despite being the ones who will end all existence, they don't embody dramatic things like War or Destruction, but rather simple, mundane evils that we see everyday. Things like greed, selfishness and abuse. Evils that are so common, we almost consider it natural. And that's just it. The apocalypse isn't destined to happen because of fate, but because people are ALLOWING it to happen. These evils are so ingrained in us that we don't relise that they're poisoning us from the inside. And a misanthrope like Takeru belives that we CAN'T change, that our destruction is inevitable, barring divine intervention.
This is where Takato comes in. Takeru once says that Takato is the only one who can act outside the Thread Of Destiny, but that his connection to others gives them the power to do the same. Now remember that this is merely TAKERU'S interpretation, I believe the truth is both simpler, and yet more special.
You see, Takato's best trait is and always has been his willpower. Takato is a Determinator to the extreme, he doesn't defy fate because of some special power, but because he simply doesn't CARE about Fate. He's not interested in the future, he just cares about doing what he thinks is best in the Here and Now. Granted, his decisions aren't always the best, (He could be the trope codifier for Open Mouth, Insert Foot) but he always tries to be a good person.
This is what I believe Takato's true gift is: Inspiration. Takato doesn't defy fate becuse of some supernatural power, he defies it because he doesn't care. And Takato's speech at the end of Silent Sorrow, is a declaration that ANYONE can defy fate, that EVERYONE has the power to choose to say "Fuck you world! Fuck you society! This is MY choice, and MY life!" and Takato's courage to defy everything to do what he wants and what he believes is right, is what inspires others to do the same.
This is my ultimate conclusion: Tamers Forever and GOSPEL are both Stealth Deconstructions of the Prophecy trope. Their message is that blindly following along the whims of fate will eventually lead to ruin (It's implied that even the Triad will come to misery if they continue to blindly follow their prophecy) Evey human being has the power to make their own choices, to change the world for the better and it's a power that they can and SHOULD exercise. Apathy is the true enemy. Never give in to fate, always fight for something better.
edited 12th Jan '15 11:42:46 PM by Lunacorva
So what're your thoughts?
Sorry for the overly delayed reply, this has been a terrible week.
Anyhow, to your analysis...
That was awesome! That was honestly, thoroughly, well-put and truly awesome!
Let's divide your analysis for a while for proper contemplation, then.
You do make a good point regarding the two prophecies. At first I've thought the Triad's prophecy was an alaysis of the Tread of Destiny, but it being something much more different, although connected, is intriguing. I admit I haven't seen Xe (at least as far as I can remember), because time hasn't been that much latelly to read through the existing Gospel materiel yet. But having the maker of the prophecy actually a character means that there's more to it than simply the text, but also the subtext. Gives a more mundane nature to it and, also, a possible reasoning beyond predicting the future.
Furthermore, the fact that even the Matrix can only predict possibility signifies that it goes accordingly with modern Physics, meaning that if you know the direction and speed of a particle you can predict where it can *possibly* be at any point in the future. That's because there are unpredictable forces, like gravity waves and even simply casualistic, that might change the prediction. Going even further it makes me think what might be planned for the Thread, how much it controls, and if it might not be simply a general direction the universe is taking due to the direction of the Big Bang. Basically, "we're going there" "where?" "there" - you don't know *where" is, simply in which direction it might be. That this natural force might be much less determinating than the characters make it to be might actually be possible in this setting, which brings me another point you're making.
The characters. I've already noticed what you're saying about TK. He's pathetic. Actually, I have a certain deal of dislike for the guy, greatly because of what he did with the omnivices - I mean, making them sentient and not allowing for them to interact directly with the world? That's cruel! - but I think that only mirrows the pathetic nature of his characetr. He's trying to find a reason for his suffering, and that will be his downfall. This much I have already noticed, but you put it in a context I haven't thought about yet.
This goes further deep, because the characters have been portrayed as realistically human (even the Digimon, ironically enough), and this kind of deep flaws goes quite well with it. This actually makes me think about how the demons will be portrayed, if as unredimably evil like Daemon, or as something more dynamic and interesting - which I would love to, personally.
Furthermore, if what you say is true than although now this is a stealth deconstruction of the prophecy, that might not be so in the long run, as things start to be clearer.
Makes me think if the only real "event" is the renewal of God, which could have happened regardless of the Triad and the Prophecy (I think?), and the rest is simply something that happened due to weakness, misunderstandings and opportunism. It would be so mundane it would be brilliant.
Again, I'm so sorry for the late reply.
That's cool.
Well we can't have a fan thread without some good ol' fashioned gushing now can we? So lets gush away!
What were some of your favourite scenes and why?
Well, I loved everything Chaos Galantmon related. I mean, the guy is pure badasery! The Battle against the Tamers was especially badass. I wish we can have more of him later on.
As I've said, I also loved the scene with Rika and Renamon vs the Infermons. I like these sceens where we know the characetrs had no chance, but he/she goes anyway and even manages to shine before going down.
Oh, and Terriermon vs Deamon. That scene was... I can't describe it. I want more of that too, where we see what he is truly capable of.
But outside the action scenes, I really, really, liked the scene where Rika comes down crying after the "death" of Takato. Not for teh suffereing, mind you, but because it was truly well-writen.
I always like Chaos Galantmon, have I told you that?
I love Chaos in general!
He's one of my favourite OC's ever.
Oh, yes. He's acually very well thought-off. I loved every single moment of him.
With that said, which are your favourite scenes? :)
Hey!
Long time, no reply.
Is everything okay around there?
Hi. Sorry I've been gone so long. Busy with other stuff.
Anyway, while I share a lot of moments with you, like the EPIC fight between Sakuyamon and the Diaboramon, or Rika's breakdown. Two lines that stand out to me in particular are.
"REJOICE IN YOUR PATHETIC PRIDE, RIKA NONAKA, AS ONCE I LEAVE THIS WORLD FOR GOOD, YOU'LL BE THE STRONGEST TAMER!"
and
"Thank God. Thank you, Kazu."
In both cases, I felt like I could literally HEAR the characters saying those lines. It really showed just how insanely powerful and immersive the story had become.
G'day mate. How've things been going?
So anyway, considering half the point of this is to discuss differing perspectives on the series, I think it's time I brought up the elephant in the room: The first TV Tropes review of Tamers Forever. What are your thoughts on it to start?
The basic idea I have for the image, is a montage of separate images connected by a central symbol. In this case, the Digital Hazard symbol, which will itself be surrounded by a circle.
So the basic idea is to have each segment of the Hazard (The triangles, the spaces between the triangles ect. Have a different picture inside it.
Now for this to work, some of the Hazard’s proportions will need to be altered. At the moment, the outside triangles are long and thin, while the innermost triangle is rather small. To make it practical to have decent images within the triangles, the outside triangles will have to be shortened and widened, and the inner triangle will have to be enlarged so that all four triangles are of equal size.
Now the Hazard symbol itself will be made out of digicode which constantly repeats the message “We are the Chaos, We are the Chaos, We are the Chaos…”
Now for the images within the triangles.
In the top right triangle, there is the image of a young, twelve year old girl that looks IDENTICAL to Takato, only female and with long brown hair that goes to half way down her back. She is floating naked (although like the biomerged tamers, you don't actually see anything private) in a glass cylinder filled with a clear liquid and lit with a soft green light. On the front of the cylinder in grey writing, is the word
A.D.A.M 07
The girls eyes are closed, but there is a small, mysterious and knowing smile on her face. Though whether that smile promises goodwill, or threatens pain, it is impossible to tell.
In the top left triangle, We have the image of Daemon. Beneath his cloak, his eyes are wide with a livid, insane fury. Flames created by his Hell Inferno technique surround him, burning alive Jeri Katou, Henry Wong, Elecmon and Terriermon who are all screaming in agony.
In The bottom triangle, We have a faceless, featureless pitch black version of Takato, like a living shadow. In place of arms, this Takato has a writhing mass of thin, rope like tendrils. It is silhouetted against a blue background (the same colour blue as Rika's Digivice) that is covered in binary code.
Now if you look at the central triangle, you'll see that it has a small circle surrounding it. Each of the three segments of this circle will have it’s own image (hence why the central triangle needs to be bigger.
In the bottom right segment of the circle there is an image of Takato, he has a friendly smile on his face, but his eyes are filled with a grim determination, and the small bits of his skin (minus his face) that are not hidden by clothes, are shown to be covered in cuts and bruises. On Takato’s right arm is the Ruby Omnivice.
Next to him is the image of Gallantmon locked in a swordfight with a Piedmon who has a cool cavalier smirk on his face.
In the bottom left segment of the circle, there is a picture of the character ‘Chaos’. His eyes are piercing, and he has a small cold smile on his face, his arms are folded. Like Takato, Chaos is wearing the Ruby Omnivice. Next to him is an image of Chaos Gallantmon Who is floating in the night sky, his shield is out in front of him, glowing with a silvery light, and with the digital hazard symbol in place of the Aegis symbol. His cape is billowing from the wind created by the catastrophic explosion of blue light, smoke and debris, Showing that he has just fired his devastating "Judecca Prison" Technique. (the “Judecca Prison” is like Gallantmon’s “Shield Of The Just” technique, but instead of a continuous stream like “Shield Of The Just“, “Judecca Prison“, is a single, javelin like, blue bolt of incredibly destructive energy,
In the top segment of the circle there is a mid close up shot (so only his head arms and torso) of Gallantmon Crimson Mode, who is surrounded by the shining golden light of his aura.
Now as I mentioned before, the Digital Hazard symbol as a whole will be surrounded by a circle made of digicode. with images in the space between the triangles
In the space between the top right triangle and the bottom triangle. there is a picture of Sakuyamon in mid air, desperately trying to hold of a hoard (Twelve Max) of viscious, mindless Diaboramon, who surround her, tearing and biting, desperate to rip her apart and feast on her data. Below her, lying on his side unmoving in a pool of his own blood in the middle of the street, is Takato Matsuki. His once blue and white attire is now dyed completely red, soaked in his own blood, he is facing away from the viewer, but every inch of his skin that can be seen, is covered in dark bruises, and deep cuts that ooze blood onto the street.
In the space between the top left triangle, and the bottom triangle, There are the Adult Digidestined, minus Tai, and their Digimon, surrounded by a hoard of Dark Scubamon, Kurisarimon, Infermon and Diaboramon (roughly 5% Diaboramon, 10% Infermon and 85% Kurisarimon and Dark Scubamon.) . Takeru is clearly the leader of the group, and he is shirtless, with a dark green cape and black pants, on his right arm, is an emerald coloured version of the Omni-vice.
In the space between the top two triangles, there are three black silhouettes (though outlined in a glowing white light) at the top Goddramon (Google him) on the left, the adult Takeru (T.K) mentioned before. and on the right, Patamon.
The very central triangle itself is black and in the centre of it, blue, but outlined in red light: is the Crest of Chaos which is described thus:
"And finally, the sixth symbol, which looked like a galaxy, with four arms coming out of the nucleus' four cardinal directions. In between the galaxy's arms, four triangles pointing outside."
The title "Tamers Forever" is in the middle of the symbol, extending from one side of the big circle, to the other in “Old English” font.
scattered throughout the picture, are a collection of these cryptic quotes
"Omni-Tamer"
"We are the chaos"
" Six shall the enlightened ones be"
"Sephiroth"
"Daath"
"Find me" "the Apex"
"Asmodeus"
"Vessel of God"
Finally, in the area outside the Symbol, there is nothing but darkness except for a few small glowing red lights from which you can just make out the shapes of horric, deformed creatures and clawing and tearing at the edges of the circle, are the pitchblack, shapes of demonic, horrific twisted Takato's.