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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#626: May 17th 2015 at 9:52:34 PM

Any thoughts on my snippet? Or the other thing I asked about after that?

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#627: May 17th 2015 at 10:43:33 PM

It was pretty cool. Oh and I think that Demyx would run away.

You gotta start somewhere.
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#628: May 17th 2015 at 10:54:57 PM

Maybe, but I was asking about the old guard - that is, the Nobodies of those who directly apprenticed under Ansem the Wise - Xigbar (who we know won't turncoat, since he's the prime agent trying to get OMX's plan back on track while Xemnas deals with his plot-based amnesia), Xaldin (actually gives no damns at all about getting his heart back), Vexen (whose shits are only given to SCIENCE), Lexaeus, and Zexion (Cloaked Schemer).

I'd give my own thoughts, but that could be potentially epically spoileriffic for potential future plans that aren't set in stone yet.

So I want y'all's thoughts first.

edited 17th May '15 10:55:58 PM by EvaUnit01

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#629: May 17th 2015 at 11:00:18 PM

Zexion, from what I can tell, is an Organization loyalist, and Lexaeus seems to mostly follow his lead. Maybe he'd leave if he decided that Xemnas had forsaken their original goal (which technically he always has) but I'm not sure.

Honestly, I think it might be interesting if it was Xigbar who left, as he seems to have collaborated with Xehanort for fairly selfish reasons.

Oh God! Natural light!
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#630: May 17th 2015 at 11:07:51 PM

Braig almost certainly did, yeah... but I'm not entirely sure what kind of "selfish goal" you can be working toward, when the plan involves "gradually surrendering your sense of self to someone else".

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#631: May 17th 2015 at 11:13:18 PM

I'm sure it makes sense to him. Or at least it did at the time.

We're still not entirely clear on what he's hoping to get out of this.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#632: May 17th 2015 at 11:24:42 PM

I think he initially started working with OMX for the sake of power, and then found quite a lot of it in the transition to becoming Xigbar... but over time in the Organization, I'm guessing that    DARKNESS    gradually eroded his sense of ego/pride (rememeber how completely and utterly pissed he was when Terra took out his eye?) to the point that whatever remained of Braig's goal could be sufficiently twisted by the 'Nort Hive Mind to jive up nicely with what OMX had planned.

However, that is neither here nor there for Brutality, since everything goes so far Off the Rails that the plots from KHII-onward literally cannot happen at all.

Personally, out of all the original Ansem's Apprentices, I think the one most likely to betray Xemnas is Xaldin. His beliefs and philosophy are in direct contradiction with the stated goals of Organization XIII under Xemnas's direction, he doesn't seem to have any vested interest in seeing it through like Xigbar does, and unlike numbers V-IV, Xaldin seems unscrupulous enough that he might well decide to turn his spears against his current master, if he might decide that another Leader in potentia is more to his liking.

edited 17th May '15 11:28:52 PM by EvaUnit01

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#633: May 18th 2015 at 12:06:17 AM

Seems legit. Vexen gets enough science to do, and I think he's too much of a putz to take a big step like striking out on his own.

"Sure is," he said, affirming Xion's opinion of the scenery.
Bolded section is redundant. We know he's affirming Xion's opinion. She gave it, and he said, "Sure is."

edited 18th May '15 12:06:28 AM by rikalous

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#634: May 18th 2015 at 7:08:52 AM

Xigbar: Star Scream, Magnificent Bastard edition.

Zexion: See aboye except add Smug Snake.

Does anyone agree on my way of dealing with the time travel?

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#635: May 18th 2015 at 10:14:14 AM

It's an interesting idea. The question is, how would they prevent it from happening? It'd probably have some huge repercussions, too, since messing with time usually does.

I don't know if I'd go that far in my fic, since I've already giving YX a cameo. Basically, my dilemma is that I like Young Xehanort and I don't want to flat-out ignore 3D since the two main deviations from canon are Riku getting the Keyblade as intended and Xemnas being a screwed up Terra. Everything else mostly happened as a result of those two changes with some filling in the blanks for stuff that's only hinted at in canon. Mind you, I have no plans to follow KH 3 D scene for scene— it's more that elements of it will probably come into play, with some twists due to the huge wealth of changes since the series started.

I guess I could just handwave it and not get into the actual mechanics. I wish we knew who the other vessels were, because there's a chance that Xehanort will have fewer than he did in canon. I've got a lot of time before I worry about Xehanort's plans post-"KH 2", but I like being able to plan ahead.

That Brutality scene is super cute, and as for the old guard... honestly, I can't see any of them being turncoats. Zexion was going to be second in command, so he likely had a great deal of respect for Xemnas. Lexaeus doesn't strike me as the sort to entertain thoughts of betrayal. Vexen has no particular reason to do so, and Xaldin... I guess he could maybe fit the bill, but I think it'd take the right provocation. And Xigbar's been with Xehanort's plan from the start.

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#636: May 18th 2015 at 1:51:44 PM

I admit I kinda surprised myself with the amount of wheels within wheels of schemes my fanfic has going on even into chapter 5.

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#637: May 18th 2015 at 10:16:57 PM

That Brutality scene is super cute,
Kawaii desu violence?

Bolded section is redundant. We know he's affirming Xion's opinion. She gave it, and he said, "Sure is."
I am in your debt.

And I shall pay that debt... in the form of yet more Brutality!

The Darkside curled one massive hand into a fist and then punched the ground, releasing a malignant pulse. Roxas, having vastly better reflexes, was able to leap over the sweeping energy wave. Xion, however, missed her timing and screamed in pain as the force launched her across the plaza.

"XION!" Roxas turned to check on his partner, before his instincts stopped him cold. Huh? Where did this shadow come fro-

Roxas dived out of the way, and at the very last moment - the spot he'd just vacated was immediately crushed beneath a giant elbow, severely cratering the plaza.

Still on the ground, the Darkside then swiped its massive hand toward Roxas, intent on trying to grab him.

I can't just stay on defense!

Rather than evade out of the way, Roxas instead charged at the giant hand swinging toward him, and put all of his strength into stabbing forward with the Keyblade.

edited 18th May '15 10:19:33 PM by EvaUnit01

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#638: May 20th 2015 at 3:40:20 PM

Man, the Darkside Took a Level in Badass. I like it. Better than the fight scenes I tend to write.

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#639: May 20th 2015 at 5:08:54 PM

In past chapters, I also gave The Guardian and The Deserters threat buffs, just as I have been doing for Roxas and (eventually) Xion.

In this fic, I'm just handing out Adaptational Badass upgrades like the Mysterious Figure hands out asskicking!

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#640: May 20th 2015 at 8:55:25 PM

[up]Well, I would be too in mine, if I had an actual desk to type on or liked typing on my bed. Which I don't. Yes, my muse is very petty and fickle.

You gotta start somewhere.
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#641: May 20th 2015 at 8:57:36 PM

I'll type on damn near anything, so long as it 1) is reasonably stable and 2) isn't my own lap.

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#642: May 20th 2015 at 9:28:16 PM

I'm on a table now so it's cool.

You gotta start somewhere.
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#643: May 29th 2015 at 6:24:36 PM

I was thinking to make a Community on FFN of everyone's fics. Thoughts?

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#644: May 30th 2015 at 3:45:14 PM

[up]I approve of this motion.

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#645: May 31st 2015 at 7:36:25 PM

I'd be cool with that community. :D Still need to sit down and read some of your guys' stories. Just been super busy, so I've only had time to write for the most part.

By the way, I just went through the entire first Antipode fic and purged it of the word "countless" (barring a few instances) because I never realized how big of a crutch word that was fort me. Also fixed a small plothole and added an extra exchange in the Jafar fight... How do you guys feel about retroactive edits like these? One of my readers suggest I revise a particular chapter considerably (and I am tempted to), but since the fic was posted so long ago, I'm wary of confusing longtime followers if I do that.

Ultimately, it's not a huge plot point that I'd tweak, so main story stuff wouldn't be retconned. I'd just be reworking the boss fight with Captain Hook to make it more like a proper fight and fixing some of the pacing.

Lastly, looking for some feedback for Emperor's New Groove world stuff because I'm waffling over how to adapt/tweak certain elements given what all has happened so far.

Quick rundown: Xigbar's hanging with Yzma and Kronk. When Kuzco becomes a llama, Xigbar suggests that instead of killing him, they nudge him toward darkness and make him a Heartless. Yzma agrees after some nudging when she realizes how cathartic it'd be to watch Kuzco slowly lose himself. Kronk still loses him (he was supposed to dump him outside town so Kuzco was left helpless), but they know he's alive and are trailing the heroes for different reasons.

I don't wanna do a scene for scene adaption of the film, and this change up essentially makes that impossible anyway. Some things will remain, like the bridge going out (more time for Kuzco to grapple with that darkness, though this starts backfiring due to the heroes), but the diner scene and the big chase before the climax... don't really work in this scenario.

At the moment, the main party can't stand Kuzco and are only going to find him because, insufferable as he is, the jungle's kinda dangerous. They are gonna continue to butt heads for a while, which won't help with Kuzco starting to darkness up a bit. I feel like this could explain them not just taking him back via corridor (too risky).

Current solution/idea is... basically, heroes spend some time trying to extend the olive branch. Villains (mostly Yzma) get agitated. Xigbar separates Riku from the gang to mess with him a bit (boss' orders and all that), while the rest of the party looks for him, stumbles into the diner, where a) there's some passive-aggressive exchanges between Donald and Yzma (waitress won't let them fight), b) Yzma tries to rope Kuzco back so she can take care of things herself, and c) maybe some silly shenanigans with Goofy and Kronk in the kitchen.

I'm just wondering if that would work from a narrative standpoint. Riku'd eventually catch up with them, but what I'm pondering is if Kuzco would/should go with Yzma. The heroes will have told him what she planned, but I can see him being in utter disbelief similar to the film. Could then lead to an attempted rescue, maybe, since the chase scene won't really fly.

Also, I'm digging that Darkside scene for Brutality so far. :D I'm all for upping the ante with certain Heartless.

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#646: May 31st 2015 at 9:43:53 PM

How do you guys feel about retroactive edits like these?
It's not a problem. Especially if you, as the author, feel it's needed.

Ultimately, it's not a huge plot point that I'd tweak, so main story stuff wouldn't be retconned. I'd just be reworking the boss fight with Captain Hook to make it more like a proper fight and fixing some of the pacing.
Follow your heart, man. Just go ahead and do it.

Also, I'm digging that Darkside scene for Brutality so far. :D I'm all for upping the ante with certain Heartless.
Many thanks, man. But, alas!, I am currently suffering from a severe mojo deficiency.

heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#647: Jun 1st 2015 at 1:28:34 AM

Going to back to my Bard's weapon of choice, I want to avert the Instrument of Murder trope. I think this trope is dumb and since this is a war fic, I'll have her use the harp for medium to long range while the Keyblade is for anyone who tries to get to close and a back up weapon when she's under the Silence ailment.

And Keyblade theme naming like usual: Angel Harp (first Keyblade), Throne Harp (second Keyblade) and Seraph Harp (final Keyblade.)

Speaking about ailments, why the heck people don't use them more? I mean Final Fantasy games make most ailments useless but they're still a thing.

edited 1st Jun '15 1:28:54 AM by heliosKAISER

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#648: Jun 1st 2015 at 2:01:32 AM

I confess I do not follow the logic that says that using a musical instrument as a weapon is dumb while using an ornate, oversized key as a weapon isn't.

[up][up][up]Don't think I remember that movie well enough to offer criticism, sorry.

heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#649: Jun 1st 2015 at 2:17:36 AM

In-universe, a Keyblade is seen as a powerful weapon. A harp is well, a harp. And besides it's not like Simone chose to get a Keyblade, anyway. She might as well use it.

You gotta start somewhere.
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#650: Jun 1st 2015 at 2:47:29 AM

In-universe, a sitar is a powerful weapon, as is an oversized playing card. In universe, eschewing weapons entirely to rely on bashing people with a shield is considered a perfectly reasonable choice for a professional soldier. Accepting that while sneering at the idea of using something so absurd as a harp as a weapon strikes me as an arbitrary distinction.


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