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theAdeptRogue iRidescence Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#1: Jan 29th 2014 at 5:25:12 PM

OK, I think this trope is about "a real world myth is revealed to be true in a particular fantasy setting". In other words, a Real-world Myth counterpart to All Myths Are True. But apparently, for this trope to apply, there's this restriction that the author don't actually believe in the myth they are incorporating to the plot, which makes it unnecessarily narrow, in my opinion.

All in all, the trope is badly defined (the description reads like a laconic and is very vague), contains a lot of ZCE, and it's definitely not thriving for a trope that had been launched in 2009. Oh, add the fact that it's launched with only one hat.

StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#2: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:36:28 AM

[up]2009 means it actually predates the hat system and was given a hat retroactively when it was added. But yeah, that's a seriously screwed up page.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#3: Jan 30th 2014 at 12:13:03 PM

It doesn't matter what the author thinks about the trope, it's either present in the work or it's not. That's not part of the trope.

And it is a mythology, not a myth. Mythologies incorporate multiple myths.

A quintessential example would be Percy Jackson And The Olympians + Classical Mythology. The page quote sums it up nicely, too. The pattern shouldn't be difficult to extrapolate from that. Is there something specifically unclear that you can point to?

Rhymes with "Protracted."
theAdeptRogue iRidescence Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
iRidescence
#4: Jan 30th 2014 at 4:40:45 PM

It's rather vague on defining how the mythology manifests in the plot, and overall the description is lacking. There's also the aforementioned problems of Zero-Context examples and low wick count despite being an old and rather common trope. The examples that alludes to real religion are rather questionable, and why the heck is there an "inversion" to this trope?

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#5: Jan 30th 2014 at 9:27:37 PM

I think it's relatively clear. A mythology used as a basis or setting that one way or another makes it real, for a work that isn't itself part of said mythology.

I don't think there's an inherent problem with including religions.

How the mythology manifests in the plot is pretty much what the context of the examples should be about.

Mostly, I think it just needs some fixing up, and help with more examples.

edited 30th Jan '14 9:29:28 PM by AnotherDuck

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#6: Jan 31st 2014 at 12:29:09 AM

I think that it's clear enough as a trope. The example section is bad, though.

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troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#7: Feb 1st 2014 at 11:19:16 PM

Looks like it would benefit from curation, but that's kind of "So what else is new?"; every trope benefits from curation, and it's not particularly relevant to TRS. We have a projects thread for it.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
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#9: Mar 13th 2014 at 6:27:58 AM

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