CW's Flash

...remember how much Wally really didn't want to be "Kid Flash"? He got his wish.

I liked how the filming of the final scene really mirrored Ronnie's sacrifice. That was nice.

It would have certainly been interesting if flash kept the Savitar armor.

you know there has to be a mass murderer evil speedster somewhere in the multiverse that Cisco and Cindy can track down and pop into the prison in Barry's place.

also, I was disapointed we never told what Savitar promised Caitlin, but now that I think about it he probably promised she could be the one to kill hunter. justice and revenge for what hunter did to her.

I have not problem with an evil version of Barry.

But I think they made him too evil and cruel.

Barry/ Savitar did not even care about his own Dragon (and ambiguously Ignored Enamored Underling ) Cailtin/ Killer Frost

In the end it turns that Zoom was right about Barry.

edited 24th May '17 9:52:32 AM by dantecito

I would have preferred a more anti-heroic Savitar than the downright evil Barry/Savitar we got. However, even though Savitar wasn't really a good villain (mostly because his motivations made no sense), I thought he was better than Zoom.

But on unrelated note, does anyone genuinely want Wally to be the main Flash now? I'm really not a fan of this interpretation of the character, but after doing some internet surfing many people seem to reeeeeally want a break from Barry. Some people even say that he should stay in the Speed Force forever.

I mean, Team Arrow did just fine without Ollie for a while. So who knows?

Wally, Jessie, Iris coming down with a sudden case of speedforce.. Mostly because I am pretty sick of Barry.

maybe Bart showing up out of nowhere to save his grandpa

I might be in the minority with this, but I actually liked Season 2 better than Season 1. There were many reasons, but Zoom was surely the biggest one. Both Pre and Post-Reveal, that guy just scared the shit out of me. He made Reverse-Flash look like fucking kindergarten.

So I've thought about it, and I've decided that while this season wasn't bad, the reason I kept getting annoyed by it was because every single plot twist went a stupider way than I wanted it to. Flashpoint? Solved in one episode instead of stretched to more of the season. Alchemy? It's Julian instead of a doppleganger refugee from Flashpoint, and even then he's just being possessed by Savitar instead of being his own character. Jesse? Runs off to Earth-3 instead of sticking around as a regular. Killer Frost? Starts interesting, I'll admit, but goes sour when it turns out that Caitlin is right about her powers turning her evil, instead of it being an arc about accepting who you are and all that. And finally, Savitar. Instead of being a god, he's just another speedster with a big head. His early awesomeness with moving so fast that he fights speedsters like speedsters fight normal people was just a trick, and doesn't appear again after he escapes from the Speed Force.

Now, I understand the reality of production limited their options a bit. Since they're in a shared universe Flashpoint couldn't last too long, they can only pay for so many actors so trimming the fat by putting one of the redundant speedsters on a bus made sense, and I can understand why they didn't want to touch on religion by making Savitar an actual god. But... still. It just feels like wasted potential all around.

All that being said, I actually did like this season—it bugged me, but I was able to ignore it while I was actually watching. I especially liked that they managed to save Iris, only to get rid of Barry instead, even if the way they did it felt a bit contrived. It better stick for longer than Flashpoint, though. Grant Gustin is wonderful and everything, but when you get rid of your main character like that, you need to be willing to make it stick.

Also hoping Killer Frost joins the Legends. Give her a chance to grow as a character again instead of "Well I'm not evil, but for some reason I don't want to get rid of the powers that make me evil." They literally didn't even try to explain her reasoning.

edited 24th May '17 7:18:46 PM by Discar

I think what they really should have done was give us the Savitar-is-Barry reveal a lot sooner. Not necessarily let the other characters know a lot sooner, but at least clue the audience in. Savitar became so much more interesting once he was being played by Grant Gustin and was able to actually emote and develop a personality, instead of being a faceless guy saying generic villain lines through a voice synthesizer. It's no coincidence that, prior to his unmasking, Savitar was at his most interesting when speaking through Julian.

That's what Season 1 got right with its villain that Seasons 2 and 3 got wrong. While most of the main characters spent Season 1 seeing the Reverse Flash as just a blurry faced guy who comes out of nowhere to do evil for evil's sake, we got to see plenty of him outside the mask, were gradually able to piece together his personality and motivations, and came to know him as an actual character, rather than just an obstacle for Team Flash to fight.

Could not have said that better.

I didn't mind the Zoom mystery as much (partly because I got to write angsty crack theory fics like "it's earth two nora allen" and people on the internet swore at me which is always my favorite) but I agree. I like knowing things the characters don't. I like putting together the 'why' and the 'how' along side the characters while knowing " who" already.

also, I realized that all of y favorite quotes from the Last Unicorn sound like things HR would say and he is suddenly more dear to me. I am glad of that, because I'm being coerced into writing his death from his viewpoint, to go along with my fics about the deaths of and from the point of henry, eddie, ronnie, nora, earth two killer frost, and rupture. gotta be sad to make readers sad.

I honestly thought Zoom's motivation and background was just as compelling, if not more, than Thawne's.

I like the idea of Zoom, a Shadow Archetype of Barry and The Flash, more than what they did with him.

edited 25th May '17 3:43:23 AM by VeryMelon

Thwane did have the benefit of being apart of Team Flash from the very beginning, so it was easy to develop him.

I feel like they set the standard a bit too high with Thwane because no other villain has managed to be as developed. You could honestly question if Thwane genuinely was evil or not.

Zoloman comes off as an Inferior version of him, and Savitar debuts halfway into the season and then he doesn't get any character depth until his identity is revealed, at which point there was only three episodes left.

Which is sad because the concept of an evil version of Barry sounds interesting and the last episode gave him some legit motivation. But it just came too little too late.

For me, neither Zoom's nor Savitar's real identities worked in general. And someone correct me if I miss something. Zoom was an interesting villain but his reveal as Zolomon made the character seem inconsistent. Zoom pretended to be Jay Garrick in order to trick Team Flash into creating a cure, but why did he pretend to be a hero on Earth-2 when Jay Garrick was on Earth-3? And why didn't he kill Jay Garrick and steal his speed? Also, his infatuation with Caitlyn made his motivations kind of hazy; even for a sociopath.

Savitar, on the other hand, being Evil!Barry makes his ultimate plan to kill Iris very confusing. The main problem is that we have no idea what exactly lead Barry to becoming a monster. We saw Barry make many stupid decisions since the season's inception, but there was never a moment where we saw "darkness" in Barry (darkness meaning evil). He was just mopey, sometimes angry, kind of stupid, and selfish. There's not much of a correlation.

I take back what I said about Zoom being less interesting than Savitar, though. They both were weak, but at least Zoom had some level of development.

Savitar claimed the rest of the team rejected him after his (future self?) Killed the other remnants or something...i dunno

Looks like they were trying for a What Measure Is a Non-Human? thing, but didn't quite get there.

You know, with H.R's death, we have three dead Wells. Harry better stops hanging out with team Flash or else it'll end up badly for him.

At least however it ends, Cavanagh proved he could get any role and rock on it.

By the way, how do you think inheritance laws and others work with alternate universe counterparts, time remnants and other madness like that?

edited 25th May '17 7:05:22 PM by Blueace

Blame Barry Allen.

The amount of dead Wells makes me sad. We'll never get a scene where all of them are in the same room at once...

I still want Adorawells to show up again it would be nice to have him back.

Adorawells...?

the adorable original earth 1 Wells that Eobard murdered.

Against all odds, and despite what said landing actually entailed, the Flash somehow managed to stick the landing on this season. Huh.

Wally better actually get to be the Flash for real this time, though.

RIP HR.

I think Teddy Sears made a pretty good Jay Garrick and a pretty bland Hunter Zolomon. That wasn't entirely his fault, though. Zoom never really made a ton of sense as a character, in terms of what he was trying to do and why.

Savibar would've been a lot more interesting if the reveal that he was Barry happened sooner for the audience, even if the characters didn't know it. Like, have the idea that Barry becomes a god be there right after Flashpoint, and then the midseason twist is that he's an eeeevil god, and the late season twist is that he's become a time remnant, possibly as a direct result of interfering with his own timeline, ie. maybe at one point he wasn't.