Gotham

Fish was always going to have a short stay on here.

If, as has been reported, they purposely destroyed Barbara Kean for the sake of going a different direction with her than the comics, I'll reserve judgement for what that is.

Renee Montoya was severely underused though. Hope they bring her (and Allen) back.

Allen... doesn't he become The Spectre?

He is one of the people to become the Spectre.

He is killed in Gotham Central by Jim Corrigan. Jim Corrigan is coincidentally the name of the Golden Age Spectre but he isn't the same person that killed Crispus Allen.

If you're talking about The Batman, he did have a jetpack in that show.

edited 18th Aug '15 1:55:50 PM by Anicomicgeek

Bruce Wayne Vows To Fight For Justice In New "Gotham" Promo

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/bruce-wayne-vows-to-fight-for-justice-in-new-gotham-promo

Groan.

Okay, maybe it's getting a little heady with the "he' gun' b' da' dark' night!" foreshadowing.

Wow, Gotham is completely bonkers.

The Joker kid seems promising, though.

I must be having some Opinion Myopia here?

I liked the Red Hood Episode, that was the multiple-choice origin I wanted.

Yeah, I am a little disappointed we're getting a confirmed Joker. Sure, I think they picked the best one, but leaving it ambiguous was a wonderfully creepy nod to his Multiple-Choice Past in the comics. The end of the Red Hood episode is a good example. At the time, it was like "Is that him? Is that the Joker?" Now it's just "Nope, just some random kid who's gonna cause the plot of this episode again, only to get killed at the end of it."

Could still be a fakeout. I have a feeling the writers have set it up in such a way that if "Jerome" falters as a character for audiences, they'll just say he was one of many "possible" jokers.

It was some sort of crazy high tech thing that didn't look like no jetpack I ever seen. Batman's jetpack was more jetpack-y.

Out of all the villains that'll appear next season, I hope to see Jervis Tech.

One of the problems in bringing in the classic Rogues Gallery is that Bruce is still a child. They did the thing with Jonathan Crane's father Gerald, which was interesting, and the Electrocutioner bit, establishing him as a Legacy Character. Heck, they've even introduced Viper, the predecessor to Venom.

I suppose I could see Wayne Enterprises being covertly involved in mind control and hypnosis research. After all, there's a lot going on that even Thomas Wayne didn't know about. Maybe they'll have something similar, like a villain who steals and abuses what they're making, and then it's hidden away only to be rediscovered years later.

You know in retrospect it makes a lot of sense that Gordon would welcome Batman's help later on. After all, a lot of later villains are very similar to the crazies that he's dealing with at this point.

I agree with you. I was a bit confused about Harvey Dent being introduced as an adult. I thought Dent was the same age as Bruce or at least around his age range. Eh, I guess the writers couldn't help themselves

I stopped trying to make sense of this show's chronology and decided to just treat it like a prequel to the 60's Batman series.

Hey, it worked for Smallville when I started treating that one as Silver Age: The Show.

Other people have thought about this in more detail but I'm pretty sure the chronology is intentionally a bit weird.

I just treat the show as if there was no DC comic universe. I do wonder if it takes place in the same universe as Arrow, Flash, etc but in a purely academic way because if the PTB have said that they have no plans for any crossovers between those shows and Supergirl they sureashell ain't gonna have any with Gotham even though I would love to have John Constantine show up on Lucifer. Also I view this as a show about James Gordon with Bruce Wayne being a secondary character so Two Face, Joker etc. are his antagonists, not Bruces.

Dent existed before Batman was a thing - you can have him be there long before Batman showed up.

That's the point - all of these people existed beforehand, you could tell a bunch of different stories around their younger, pre-supervillain incarnations.

Logically Joker was definitely some manner of criminal before he became the Joker, the only thing that wouldn't readily make sense is how Gordon doesn't recognize him decades later, but he's a police commissioner, dealing with far more cases and arrests than Batman does, having to do all the other parts of the job that Batman doesn't, processing, interviewing, filing, corresponding with other law enforcement, managing security for public events, etc. It'd be easy to forget a single, smiling crook from your past, and mind, the Joker's in his teens here.

Everybody else had a believable distance from who they were supposed to become, with the exception of Scarecrow, who effectively "became" The Scarecrow because of an injection.

edited 7th Sep '15 1:38:43 PM by Soble

Anybody remember that comedian from the pilot? He was performing in Fish's club. That was a great nod to the Joker.

Assuming Bruce is the same age as his actor, that would make him 13. Nicholas D'Agosto and Ben Mc Kenzie are 35 and 36.

So if Bruce becomes Batman at around age 25 or so, that would put Dent and Gordon in their mid to late-40s. The roles of Police Commissioner and District Attorney are very high-profile positions that generally go to somebody with a long and prestigious career. And it's perfectly reasonable for a billionaire like Bruce Wayne to form close associations with officials like that.

If you think about it, it would make more sense for Dent to be several years older than Bruce, and would account for how successful he could be as Two-Face. Age-wise, Dent would have begun his career as a lawyer about the same age Bruce begins as Batman. And with twenty years of experience, learning everything about Gotham's criminal underworld and how the police operate, he would be the ideal criminal mastermind once he snaps.

Harvey being a DA completely slipped my mind. Thanks for explaining.

The thing about Harvey Dent that I've always liked is that Dent and Bruce were peers and friends in the comics, which gives Two-Face a kind of significance that the show ditches. Now is that a bad thing in itself? Not if they do something interesting and fresh with it. The problem is that they didn't, in my opinion. It comes off as a meaningless cameo with no real payoff.

And so, Joker meets his Harley.

I'd believe it.