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Thing is, Miller always had issues. Even if you look back at the works he did in the eighties, which everybody seems to love, there are serious problems. This is the man who turned Karen Page into a prostitute and Selina Kyle into a madam, who made Superman a stooge of the government, and had the Joker's gang include a transsexual Nazi. The man always had problems with women, problems with minorities, problems with authority figures who don't share his politics, etc. It's just that he could also tell at least a decent story, and so people forgave him.

i might also add that tdkr has aged kinda poorly. it's still a good comic that shaped the medium, but it's not as good as it was back then.

Karen Page was a drug addict and made pornographic movies, but wasn't a prostitute, I believe. And with Born Again, he actually gave her a happy ending — both she and Matt got to walk into the sunset. (Later writers, of course, reversed this.)

Aside from some slight misogyny that only becomes really apparent later on, Miller's early works are actually really solid. Daredevil: Born Again is one of the best superhero stories there are and Batman: Year One is still really good. It's after a certain point where the bad qualities start to outweigh his good ones and that's when we get things like, oh, The Dark Knight Strikes Again and All-Star Batman and Robin. Even things like 300.

(By the way, if you want a really good rebuttal to 300, go read Kieron Gillen's Three.)

year one is just about perfect barring selina kyle being a prostitute, and probably the one frank miller story that will age the most gracefully. of course it goes without saying that the story's excellence owes a lot to mazuchelli's pencils.

edited 24th Apr '15 10:30:09 PM by wehrmacht

Kinda worried about Azzarello being on board as well, given his black-widowing Amazons.

whatever gripes one may have azarello is an infinitely better writer than miller atm and the only chance of the book being any good rests on him.,

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/24/who-is-the-daughter-of-darkseid-and-who-is-her-mother-fcbd-spoilers/

The new villain for Darkseid War sounds interesting. Though this will be what, the sixth evil counterpart Diana's had?

batman has like 7. nothing new there, evil counterparts are a dime a dozen for dc heroes.

Still it seems really overused. And I think of all the evil counterparts Bruce has only two of them are liked.

I dunno, a bunch of Batman's major enemies that aren't as explicitly the Evil Counterpart type as Hush or Prometheus have a whole dark mirror thing going on with him. Penguin is Evil Wealthy Scion, Scarecrow is Evil Fear User, Bane is Evil Genius Bruiser Orphan, and so forth.

And that would be why I'm only kinda worried.

Starfire #1 preview

So far, so good.

Are there any adult heroes in the DCU with two living biological parents?

Both of Barbara Gordon's parents are alive.

Barry Allen's parents were both alive prior to Flash: Rebirth. Part of that story involved the Reverse Flash altering Barry's past and framing his dad for his mom's murder, a plot point that they've adapted into the current tv series. Prior to that, Barry had always had a decent life and both parents growing up.

Post-Crisis Superman had both Kents alive up until the Brainiac story arc.

Wally West had both parents alive at least up through the end of Messner-Loebs run as writer. His mom got re-married and his dad showed up at the wedding, if I remember right. I don't know what happened to them after that.

Of course all of this is pre-New 52, and who knows what the current parental status of most characters is? At least we know that Batman's parents are still dead. In the main universe.

All DC Nu Superheroes have at least one dead, missing, and/or evil parent for extra unhappy ANGST factor.

edited 8th May '15 1:40:37 PM by TheSpaceJawa

Does Buddy Baker's kid count? Last I checked she was doing animal avatar stuff with both her parents alive. (Down a brother, though.)

Again, New 52 Barbara Gordon has a living mother and a living father.

DC just made their entire history officially canon.

I said BIOLOGICAL. The Kents aren't Clark's BIOLOGICAL parents. They're adoptive. Though, Clark was lucky to be adopted at a young age. And the versions that don't end up orphaned twice are even better off.

Aren't all superhero stories imaginary?

edited 8th May '15 4:29:09 PM by bookworm6390

Indeed; aren't they all?

edited 8th May '15 4:32:52 PM by kkhohoho

That's what I was referring to. I don't really care about continuity. I just read any stories I like and don't read stories that are too dark and edgy for my tastes.

Anyone who says the Kents aren't "actually" parents should be fed to Parallax.

He was talking about biological parents, which the Kents are not. They are Clark's adopted parents.

But again, I've already said a character that has two biological parents that are still alive. A Bat-character, which makes it all the more implausible, but there it is.

Of course they're parents! Adoptive parents are just as good as birth parents. Earth in the DCU just seems to be the place for interplanetary/interstellar refugees and orphans. So, are there any unlucky heroes with no parental figures at all?

An anti-heroine at best, but IIRC Harley Quinn had both of her parents alive pre-Flashpoint. I don't know if that's still the case in the DCNU.

Renee Montoya's parents were also alive last time I checked.

edited 8th May '15 9:08:34 PM by NapoleonDeCheese