Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
Or vetoing/obstructing attempted sanctions even more than they already do.
edited 20th Mar '14 8:00:36 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
Fixed.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
KVLFON
A collection of photos of Omsk, and not even a single bird-man? I am disappointed. On the other hand, if I got the meaning, photo number eight is hilarious. Or hilariously depressive.
"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Why are those CIS states supporting Russia? You'd think they'd be outraged and terrified that Russia would try something similar with them.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Dunno, legacy of James Bond? It's more of a stereotype really. Although you could probably trace it to genetics.
As for the CIS states - they are afraid that they will be next, no one is going to defend them, so they are buttering up to Russia to avoid being the next mouse eaten. The thinking is - "if we support everything Russia does, then Russia won't eat us."
Both.
edited 20th Mar '14 8:26:41 AM by emuran
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Christa Renz is an Attack On Titan character which kinda look like that Russian girl everyone is squeeing over. I personally find that she look more like Annie Lionheart (of the same series), but that's another matter.
/back to lurking
Damn ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
edited 20th Mar '14 8:22:08 AM by QuestionMarc
Looks like Obama is getting a bit more serious. Bank Rossiya is hit by sanctions.
edited 20th Mar '14 8:35:46 AM by emuran
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
わからない
RE: India - that's because they're still waiting for the spare parts of their jets. Although India WON'T be getting anything new from the Russians anymore, they've learned their lesson. LOL
V
...and American equipment comes with too many strings attached, so there won't be much more of that, either.
Who Am I?
I think Marq may be asking why Slavic women have such great figures. I think it's because, genetically, they are a cross between East and West. Just my uninformed opinion.
As for India- that's why they went with the French in the last fighter jet contract.
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
And Poles.
(Just sayin').
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
KVLFON
The joke was it's because the war killed off millions of men in reproductive age, so those who survived were free to mate with the prettiest girls, thus by natural selection. Satisfied with this answer? 
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
Damn, i read that Christa had a sad backstory, didn't bother finding out until the link.
That Polonksaya woman is hot as hell, though. It's also good to see a young woman (single mother, at that) in such a prestigious position that usually isn't associated with women (security), especially working "for" the Russians. Paints a good picture of gender equality.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Unless she's just a figurehead puppet for the Russian government who was specifically picked for the eye-candy factor.
... What? Would you put it past them?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
That's really too hard to tell at this juncture.
, Sadly, I'd agree with Marq. Especially as most of her job features arresting journalists and flinging old generic "bandero-fascists with the support of the EU and the Home Department have taken over Ukraine and are coming to massacre all Russians in Crimea" comments.
edited 20th Mar '14 10:00:52 AM by emuran
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
KVLFON
Perhaps they felt they needed to counter Tymoshenko.
"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"
HGW XX/7
Hmm. It seems Putin is reaching the Gadaffi-level of nutty autocracy ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
You are over-estimating her importance - Putin did not appoint her. I actually would doubt if he even has heard about her. She was appointed by the Crimean parliament on March 11th.
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Who Am I?
I am skeptical the Crimean Parliament blows it's nose without checking with their Russian friends first.
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
Russians are storming the corvette Ternopil right now, by the way.
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Did you know this section has a character limit?
...why doesn't it sail away?
They do have medals for almost, and they're called silver!
Who Am I?
The Russians have the harbor sealed off.
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
Presumably giving them more kit.
"Yup. That tasted purple."