Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
This map will help track the latest developments.
Do not post anything about the Ukrainian military movement and strategy. This could actually result in casualties.
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
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You forgot the part where someone of openly show Russian colors and say they are from Russia.
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That's on a general, abstract level, though. There are also Crimean partisans wandering around (they're the ones in the mismatched uniforms with the outdated weapons), and it may have been them who iced this specific officer.
What's precedent ever done for us?
Very valid point. Doesn't the presses from saying Russia done did it though.
When in deadly danger, When beset by doubt, Run in little circles, Wave your arms and shout.
So far no videos of shooting, so no saying who even stormed - the Berkut, the militia or the Russian special troops.
Only 4 soldiers have actually been confirmed to be Russian. What if those guys who blatantly said they are Russians - who said they did not lie?
About Russian equipment - Putin already addressed that with a mind-blowing argument - you can buy these in a military equipment shop. Especially the APCs. And the surface-to-air missile systems.
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
My dad used to work with Lockheed Martin. Putin's probably right there. 
1. Why is this affair starting to sound like firing on Fort Sumter? Except in that case, no one died...I can't believe that compares favorably to this situation.
2. "Geopolitical Talent Show" ... heh.
And I see that things just became a lot more interesting.
Also, don't anyone here diss photogrammetry.
Buy four tanks, get one free!
Russians just dissed photgrammetry, big time.
edited 18th Mar '14 2:13:31 PM by emuran
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Who Am I?
Relax- the US isnt going to war over the Crimea, no matter how many people get killed. They wouldnt go to war over Kiev, much less the Crimea.
How are the talks over the financial assistance package going?
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
^^ Then they can go fuck themselves.
edited 18th Mar '14 2:14:52 PM by GlennMagusHarvey
No news so far.
People in Crimea say militia and Russians have retreated to a safe distance immediately after Ukrainians were allowed to open fire.
EDIT: The economic part of the EU Association will be signed no later than the New Year, says the representative of Ukraine in the EU Yeliseyev.
edited 18th Mar '14 2:34:24 PM by emuran
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
KVLFON
I've just read that according to a treaty signed between Empress Catherine and the Sublime Porte in 1783, concerning the cession of Crimea to Russia, Crimea is to be returned to Turkey in case of being ceded to another country or granted independence. However, Turkey has already had a chance to pursue this claim in 1991 and decided not to.
"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"
The EU can't decide on what to do, and the US/NATO won't get shit done unless their hands are explicitly forced by attacks on a member nation, methinks.
When in deadly danger, When beset by doubt, Run in little circles, Wave your arms and shout.
The EU won't do anything until their own sovereignty is endangered because of the huge layers of bureaucracy involved.
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
V
Even then it'll be hard work due to a strong anti-war sentiment, too. Even in Parliaments.
edited 18th Mar '14 2:47:32 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling On
A procrastination in of itself
Also because any real sanctions would include blocking the flow of Russian oligarch money into the City of London, something that the British government will fight tooth and nail to prevent from happening.
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
Oh yeah, at least here parliament would explode if someone would even suggest doing something involving uniforms in the situation :/
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The EU are already loaning Ukraine money. What exactly do you want them to do?
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
According to journalists in Crimea, no one from the local self-defense/militia/whoever the hell stormed has been harmed. 1 dead and 2 seriously wounded from Ukrainian side.
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Re: the killed Ukrainian officer... my theory is he got offed by one of the White Tights seeking to blame Russia.
I sincerely doubt that.
Khto tse, mamo-mamo?
Wandering Jew
White Tigers?
Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
KVLFON
This is gonna be my new favourite urban legend.
"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"
Yes, because gods forbid the men wearing Russian uniforms, using Russian military issue weapons, speaking distinctly Russian, acting in Russia's interests are actually RUSSIAN.
edited 18th Mar '14 1:49:52 PM by l3wt
When in deadly danger, When beset by doubt, Run in little circles, Wave your arms and shout.