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Manila is showing maps, going way back to the 1600s documented by locals and foreigners to disprove Chinese sovereignty claims.
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I'd think they're about the same level of legality, too...
Charlie Stross's cheerful, optimistic predictions for 2017, part one of three.
Indiana Solo
I've heard China's dropped artifacts from planes on some disputed islands to try and claim it's proof of previous Chinese settlements
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Won't they break?
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aye, but generally such things are found broken anyway.
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Just because there are Chinese artefacts there it doesn't mean the Chinese ever ruled the area. I'm sure pieces of ancient Chinese potteries have been found in certain spots in Peninsula Malaysia and in shipwrecks in our seas.
edited 14th Sep '14 6:57:30 AM by Blurring
If a chicken crosses the road and nobody else is around to see it, does the road move beneath the chicken instead?
Chinaware was one of the most thought after trade goods China had to offer. It was the reason why opium was exported into the country because everything else they wanted to trade it with was prohibitively expensive but due to the cheap drugs it was eventually produced and traded away in industrial quantities. If any claims can be made by the existence of Chinese products in regions, China has claims on large parts of the world.
And I'm sure lots of those come from Portuguese, Spanish and British ships.
Yeah, China is using schizophreniac-worthy arguments.
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No! That just mean that Portugal, Spain and Britain are China clay!
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Britain, more specifically Cornwall, actually has China Clay
deposits!
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China has an insatiable appetite for cray.
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https://www.hubub.com/138658/163287
Found this.
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I ask that you please briefly summarize the information contained in the link. Thank you.
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Basically this debater called out Manila for accepting a local fisherman's finding on the Spratlys as a main basis for their territorial claims and praised China for showing restraint and wanted Manila to do the same (Most likely by not making a fuss).
Several comments called out the debater, with some suggesting that he may have been paid by Beijing to say that rhetoric.
Considering that documented historical maps are now being shown to discredit China's claims.
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わからない
South China Sea: Still no evidence of historical Chinese claims
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A peek inside a Chinese submarine.
The diesel-electric Song-class submarine was docked in Sri Lanka. Chinese state media filmed some scenes indoors.
Interesting.
Schild und Schwert der Partei
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China claims to have completed construction of an airstrip on the Parcel Islands. Though satellite images seem to suggest they just extended an existing instillation.
China has the capability to defeat the US navy in war Not necessarily in the conventional sense,but the fact that the US public is notoriously averse to taking losses,some would call it cowardice. Another interesting thing is that China's submarine force outnumbers our fleet in the region,and that I just learned our subs don't field anti shipping missiles.
edited 15th Oct '14 1:12:41 PM by JackOLantern1337
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Japan Caves to China on Senkaku Island Dispute:
On Thursday, Mainichi reported that Japan made a three-prong proposal to China in order to secure the meeting between the two heads of states next month. According to the report, which cited “Japanese government sources,” Japan proposed that during his meeting with Xi, Abe would first reassert that the Senkaku Islands are an inherent part of Japanese territory, but then “acknowledge that China has a case as well” to the islands. He would then propose that China and Japan seek to settle the issue through mutual dialogue over time. None of this would be included in a joint statement or any other documents officially released after the summit meeting.
Still, if the report is accurate, Abe’s acknowledgement that a territorial dispute exists and proposal to settle the issue through mutual dialogue represent huge concessions to long-standing Chinese demands.
The Japanese government has always refused to acknowledge that a territorial dispute even exists with China over the Senkaku Islands, which Beijing refers to as the Diaoyu Islands. “There exists no issue of territorial sovereignty to be resolved concerning the Senkaku Islands,” Japan has said on numerous occasions.
China’s main precondition for agreeing to a heads of state meeting between President Xi and Prime Minister Abe has long been Japan’s acknowledgement that the territorial dispute exists. As Kyodo reported in June 2013, “Even after the change of government last December with the inauguration of the administration of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, China has continued to call for Japan to acknowledge that a territorial dispute exists as a precondition for holding a summit.” That same report noted that Japan had refused to do this, and thus that a leadership summit appeared unlikely for the foreseeable future.
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Our Submarines have torpedoes. I'm not sure what advantage missile would give you besides speed.on the disadvantages, you'd have to be closer to the surface and I think a missile launch is more easily detected than a torpedo.
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US subs can fire Harpoons from under water, IIRC.
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"In distress", my ass.
Yes, the Harpoon is capable of launching from torpedo tubes. Likewise the now-discontinued Tomahawk Anti-Shipping Missile, though that "discontinued" part makes it difficult to care other than me being a know-it-all asshole. 
I'd like to see the US navy pop in on that ship for a visit. See the Chinese'coast guard' try and stop that.
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